Christian support for Palestine smacks of Replacement Theology

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• 1 Michael // Jul 30, 2007 at 1:20 pm

  Ryan,

  I don’t know if replacement theology would be the issue, rather it’s more a matter of turning from the truth of God’s Word and believing lies and fables as we are told in 2 Timothy 2:4;

  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

  Replacement theology completely replaces Israel with the body if Christ as His Church and says Israel is completely out eternally.

  These blind “evangelical” need to open their Bibles and read simple passages like Genesis 15:18, 12, 17:8 and Hebrews 8:8, 8:13 & 12:24 to realize just what will occur regarding Israel (the seed of Jacob).

  They are not completely denying Israel as replacement theologists do, they are simply positioning themselves with Satan in that he is readying for the fulfillment of Daniel 11:39 during the “time of Jacob’s (Israel) trouble.”

  Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

  People like those who signed this heretical letter, need to remember the words Jesus spoke to their ilk when He was here in the flesh from Matthew 15:8;

  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

  All that we see before us has been prophecied, and will be fulfilled regardless of what we wish would not occur. Sadly, all nations are gathering against Israel. And it isn’t the land mass of Israel that is so important, it is the seed of Jacob who is the elect Israel God speaks of (Isa. 45:4).

  Keep up the good work. Hopefully more will see this Islamic “beast out of the earth” for what it is, Satan’s (the beast in the sea) pawn, (Isa. 27:1) .

• 2 Ryan // Jul 30, 2007 at 1:31 pm

  I agree that this is not traditional, full-fledged Replacement Theology. But it does seem to be a new, more subtle form of that same lie.

  Yes, these folks do acknowledge Israel, and may even adhere to the commandment to “comfort ye My people.” But at the same time they are either ignoring or writing off every verse where God says the land is Israel’s inheritance, and every prophecy that declares the Lord will return the land to Israel and that it must not be divided.

  Is it that they believe we are so far from the final fulfillment of prophecy that they place more importance on perceived social justice than on aiding God’s plan of redemption? Or do they somehow believe God’s Word is only partially accurate in assigning this real estate to Israel, since backing that position would deny “Palestine”?

  I really don’t know. I was among those who believed most, if not all, Evangelicals took the Bible at its word on these issues. One way or another, something sinister is afoot here. The enemy has definitely infiltrated the camp…

• 3 Ed - Oregon USofA // Jul 30, 2007 at 3:48 pm

  Even though Pastor John Hagee has some friends that I would not want to be noted by, we completely agree on WHO has the right to the land. Now, I ask who these “would be theologs” are that endorse this bogus replacement theology. I know many a “Pastor” (supposedly conservative) that are a mile off track from the truth. I am probably considered far to strict, but I personally want rewards for sticking to the full armor of GOD. I am not a compromiser. Guys like me can be a laugh a minute with the middle of the roaders. My web pages on Conservative Theology will not be something someone lies awake at night to read either.

  Get back to me with a link on these off tract signers of the replacement theology - PLEASE.

• 4 Michael // Jul 30, 2007 at 4:15 pm

  Ryan,

  I agree now that you put a bit more definitive emhasis on the more subtile approach they take to replacing Israel in toto.

  You said:

  Or do they somehow believe God’s Word is only partially accurate in assigning this real estate to Israel, since backing that position would deny “Palestine”?

  They must believe in only the portions that fit their agenda as they conveniently ignore the second half of the prophecy they quote from Genesis 12:3;

  and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed

  They do not realize the Gentile (non Israelite from the seed of Jacob) was blessed by their initial rejection of Jesus in that His covenant promise was brought to the rest of the world. Galatians 3:16;

  Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

  And they seem to overlook the fact that Israel is not a land mass in the M.E. It is a people who were purified and made a nation in their 430 year exile in Egypt. Genesis 46:3, Ex. 12:40, Gal. 3:17.

  They WILL be brought back into the promise by Jesus as seen in Hebrews 8:8 and 12:24.

  For these “evangelicals” to make these heretical statements tells me exactly what you point out their “partial” accuracy. That’s what happens when they only “partially” take God’s Word for the whole truth.

  Ed from Oregon,

  Here is the whole NYTimes story link.
  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/us/evangelical_letter.html?_r=4&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

  If that does not work, click on my name and scroll to DECEPTIONS IN THE CHURCH and the entire story is linked there under: 2 Timothy 4:3 & 4 And Evangelical Lies

  In Christ Jesus,

  Michael

• 5 Ryan // Jul 30, 2007 at 5:27 pm

  Ed:

  This link will take you to the open letter published in the New York Times:
  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/us/evangelical_letter.html

  If you scroll to the bottom, you will see the names of the 30 Evangelical leaders who signed.

• 6 Ellen // Jul 30, 2007 at 7:51 pm

  What I see in this, is the “Me and My Wisdom” intellect working overtime, to somehow find a political solution to a spiritual problem.
  The signatures on that letter are from those who have reached beyond the truth of scriptures regarding the Jews and God’s promises; and apparently feel God has been “misunderstood” and did not really mean what HIS WORD says. In other words, they do not hold to a literal interpretation of scriptures, but manipulate it to voice personal views regarding the peace problem of the Middle east, which really is not about land! It’s about Israel’s Existence! They are forgetting that God has a peace plan for the Middle East, and when the time is right, He will send His PeaceMaker who by the spoken word will send man’s methods into oblivion. In the meantime they can affect more by prayer than grandoise ideas of their own thinking!

• 7 FRANK // Jul 30, 2007 at 9:44 pm

  God promised a certain people a certain land! When I put my trust in Yeshua for my salvation, God promised me eternal life, but not a certain piece of realestate. He has however promised the decendants of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob a land for an everlasting inheritance! He said He would scatter the Jews into all the world, but in the end He would remember the covenant He had made with the fathers and bring them back into their own land. We are blessed to see these promises begining to be fulfilled in our time. There has never been a country called Palistine, or a people called Palistinians! Palistine was a name given to a large territory by the Romans. 77% of this land is an arab state called Jordan. A large percentage of the refugees we eronously call Palistinians came from other arab states. The United Nations changed its definition of refugee for them from “anyone who has been forced to leave their habitual home, to anyone who has lived there for 2 years”!!! These people who are trying to divide Gods land and create a Palistinian state inspite of the clear promises God made to Israel should consider if God didn’t mean what He said concerning Israel, maybe He didn’t mean what He said in John 3:16!

• 8 Bruce // Jul 31, 2007 at 1:19 am

  Help

  This past spring, an article in another prophecy forum referenced a passage in Ezekiel that seem to indicate that Israel would be divided into strips geographically just prior to or after the Gog/Magog war.

  I have been unable to find the article nor a passage in Ezekiel that speaks to this.

  Any ideas?

• 9 Michael // Jul 31, 2007 at 2:45 am

  Bruce,

  I don’t know what article it was but rest assured, based on God’s Word the Gog event does not occur until AFTER the 1,000 years of Jesus’ reign.

  Just as stated in Revelation 20:7 & 8;

  7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

  8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

  The key passage is in Ezekiel 39:11 stating quite clearly Gog and ALL HIS MULTITUDE are dead and buried. All dead, no more Gog or Gogites to be found.

  And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

  In Christ Jesus,

  Michael

• 10 Victor Passenheim // Jul 31, 2007 at 4:02 am

  Ryan,

  There is NO way these people adhere to “comfort ye my people”. If they were to follow the history of the conflict for even a small period of time (weeks), they would see, like anyone who is inclined to support justice, that the region’s Arabs are simply bloodthirsty, genocidal maniacs who define their existence on how successful they are in annihilating their neighbors.

  Every one of these “Christian” Benedict Arnolds who signed that letter is guilty of the innocent blood, shed by these Arabs, which cries out to God for justice.

• 11 Marsha Carol Watson // Aug 1, 2007 at 7:17 am

  I scrolled and read the names of these “Evangelical” leaders.

  When I completed the list of men and women, and their titles, I realized how many times formal education can place a person at a great disadvantage in his life. I am sure these all have multiple “sheep skins” hanging on their walls.

  I have sat in a classroom under a professor who tried to “indoctrinate” me into false religions….Even worse perhaps, are those who attend “Christian” Universities, and are “mistaught” so as to go forth living their lives in deception. This is so sad. My heart is touched by these men and women and the “lies…the false bill of goods” that they have bought into.

  Each of them will have to Stand before God and give an account of their lives. I believe these records could include those they have been responsible for deceiving. “We are our brother’s keeper.”

  We need to take a “time out” and think about how our words and actions influence others (from the least of us to the greatest of us according to worldly standards.)

  “For what profiteth a man, if he gain the whole world (worldly acclaim) and lose his (or her) own soul.

  “Heavenly Father, begin at the top of this list and send Holy Spirit conviction on each person who signed this letter. In the name of my Saviour and Lord, Jesus Christ, I pray. amen and amen

• 12 Nerah // Aug 1, 2007 at 7:56 am

  Whether it is, replacement theology or false doctrine or both it definitely is antisemitism. It seems lately every where I look there are false beliefs, false doctrine and antisemitism. and even many who say they support Israel fall into the two house phychosis. It seems that Elohim is sifting through the wheat and pulling out the tares.

  Michael,
  These seem to be 2 differant events, one point:
  Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies’ lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
  Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
  Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

  after Gog, Magog etc. then they will know Yeshua is Lord, this is something that appears will happen soon, believed to be before the tribulation, where the Gog, Magog in Revelation is after the 1000 years. believed to be differant entities than in ezekiel.

• 13 K. Pruitt // Aug 2, 2007 at 2:37 pm

  Those who promote a two-state solution are NOT Evangelicals. I dare say that those who promote a two-state solution don’t really even qualify as Christians as far as I am concerned. May God open their eyes and lead them to a state of repentance.

• 14 Michael // Aug 2, 2007 at 6:12 pm

  Nerah,

  You stated:

  after Gog, Magog etc. then they will know Yeshua is Lord, this is something that appears will happen soon, believed to be before the tribulation, where the Gog, Magog in Revelation is after the 1000 years. believed to be differant entities than in ezekiel.

  I whole heartedly disagree. They are spoken of as one singular event. Regardless of the teaching, Ezekiel 38 & 39 give a blow by blow account of the event. Revelation 20:7 & 8 gives us the when.

  The key that everyone just absolutely refuses to address is Ezekiel 39:11 which states:

  And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

  God’s Word is expressly clear in that “ALL” (’kol’, 3605; Hebrew meaning: all, totality, everything) of Gog and his multitudes are dead and buried. If “kol” of them are gone that leaves zero, zip, nada, none of anyone of Gog’’s bloodline or peoples with him.

  If they are “kol” gone, where then would they magically appear from again 1,000 years later? Not some mystical notion, Biblical evidence, not man’s wild fantasy.

  God’s Word states quite simply they are destroyed once for all time just as Ezekiel 39:11 states. And it is after the 1,000 years. I’ll stick with what His Word says, not modern fable tellers.

  In Christ Jesus,

  Michael

• 15 Gary Ford // Aug 3, 2007 at 8:40 am

  I thank God that God himself watches over Israel. Even when the whole world turns against them, he will always have a remnant, and Israel will never cease to exist. Though there may be some children of God that are blinded by the subtlties of the world, etc… as a born-again Christian, who holds the bible above all else — man’s interpretation, tradition, so-called scholarship — you will love Israel I believe, because God does.

  I HATED Christian and Jews as an unbeliever .. it is weird, but AFTER I got saved, I loved fellow Christians and Israel, and the Jewish people. That is the way it was for me..

  ALL the nations of the world will, sadly, turn against Israel, but God will not forget them, how else did they become a nation after being scattered for thousands of years.

• 16 Charles Wesley // Aug 5, 2007 at 4:39 am

  These that would subdivide Israel are only trying to save their own skins . They know that America will be hit first to get us out of the way so that Israel will be all alone . God has it all in His hands and He isn’t taking public opinion into account . Thank God for that .

• 17 Fredrick // Aug 8, 2007 at 7:40 pm

  The United States of America should not exist as a country. Historically, there have never been an American people. America is named after an Italian cartogpraher in the 1500s. 95% of the inhabitants of this area are originally from other countries. They do not have their own culture or language.
  This definitively proves that America should not exist.

• 18 peter // Aug 9, 2007 at 6:07 pm

  Fredrick? what you have stated barely makes any sense. First of all, of course there has never been an American people historically, but that goes for all countries and people… All people are the seed of one man(Adam, Noah…) so if you want to say, historically there are only one people (Middle Eastern) people and thats it. If America should not exist it would not… this proves that it was meant to exist for either evil or good, but definitely for something. And all peoples and countries that have ever been named or conquered or formed have all meant to exist for either vessels of good or destruction.

• 19 Fredrick // Aug 9, 2007 at 8:47 pm

  Okay, apparently I have to actually spell it out. It is said that Palestine should not be allowed to exist as a state because it has never previously existed as a state, and that its people are a conglomerate of other nations, among other reasons. I am using this example of America to show how ridiculous that thought process is.

• 20 Jim // Aug 14, 2007 at 6:14 pm

  When Christ, the Mediator of the New Covenant, shed the Blood of the New Covenant on the cross, thus removing sin, and thus initiating God’s New Covenant with the house of Israel, as predicted by Jeremiah, only part of Israel accepted the New Covenant by believing in Christ. The other part of Israel refused the New Covenant by not believing in Christ. Then Gentiles believed in Christ and entered into the part of Israel that accepted the New Covenant by believing in Christ as fellow saints and fellow citizens (of this part of Israel) and fellow heirs and fellow partakers of the promise. Paul says that once the Gentiles have entered this part of Israel that believes in Christ, then the part of Israel that had not believed in Christ will likewise believe in Christ and will likewise enter the part of Israel that believes in Him. This describes Israel’s transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. The belief that Israel is to continue indefinitely in its Old Covenant form and that it is to become God’s people in its Old Covenant form is a denial of the Jeremiah prophecy regarding God’s New Covenant with the house of Israel, according to which the New Covenant is necessary in order for Israel to become the people of God. The Ekklhsia in the New Testament IS the part of Israel that accepts God’s New Covenant with the house of Israel. The Ekklhsia does not replace Israel. Rather, the Ekklhsia IS (not just in name, but in fact) Israel in its New Covenant form, with Christ as its Cornerstone and with the saints (believers in Christ) as its citizens. It is the New Covenant that has replaced the Old Covenant, and the part of Israel that has accepted the New Covenant is the Ekklhsia. The two parts of Israel in Romans 11:25, which are analogized as the two parts of the tree in 11:16-24, are the two Israels in 9:6-8 and in 9:31-33 and 11:7-11. This is no more anti-Semitic than is the Gospel message that a Jew must believe in Christ order to be saved. For those who think that a Jew does not have to believe in Christ in order to be saved, Paul says in Romans 1:16 that the Gospel is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, both to the Jew, FIRST, and to the Greek. This emphasizes the fact that a Jew needs the New Covenant AT LEAST AS MUCH AS a Greek does. In Romans 9:6-8, Paul expresses the same thing that Christ does in John 8:37-47, which is that an unbeliever, even though he is a physical descent of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is NEITHER a child of Abraham NOR a child of God. If this is anti-Semitic, then the Gospel itself is anti-Semitic.

• 21 Nerah // Aug 16, 2007 at 11:12 am

  Michael,
  again we will definitely have to disagree on this, I believe theses are 2 separate groups and events. look up all the countries listed in Ezekiel 38, these are the countries that are a problem now, on the verge of war against Israel, contributing arms/money, or have the Islamic death to Israel mentality. The calamities the go with the Gog magog war in Ezekiel are alot like those in revelation during Yeshuas wrath(tribulation) I realize many believe this war is before the tribulation but I believe it is possibly part of it. after the 1000 year reign gog magog will be thrown into lake of fire, it doesn’t say anything about these same calamities.. Perhaps we will not know some of this for sure until it happens however it seems YHWH is making more apparent each day.
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