You can’t make peace with a violent people

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• 1 Edward in Oregon // Mar 6, 2007 at 4:48 pm

  In the 60’s I worked for a major NW Ford dealership. I had gone to high school with a guy that had openly told me that there are two ways to make money. My way is one. His way was the better. He had invested his lifestyle with organized crime. He did not openly admit he had professional crime as an occupation, but one day, a limo drove into our service floor. In the car were 6 finely dressed men. He was in the back seat. He opened the window and greeted me. He also introduced me to the men in the fine suits. All of them gave me a warm smile. Gentlemen to the face.

  These Palestinians are not even gentlemen to the face. Satan has done a tremendous job of pointing these Palestinians in the wrong direction. HOWEVER, it is up to each man to choose the path they will take. The dumbness of these Palestinians is a bit overwhelming. They have chosen a corrupt path.

  My house is surrounded with men close to the same pattern. Two of them know the law but pay no attention to it. One of the women is a police officer. I wait to see how they fare down the line. They also mock anything righteous. It is a laughing matter to them.

• 2 Floyd Kelley // Mar 6, 2007 at 7:18 pm

  The Palestinians are the children of the flesh, through Ishmael, and they walk according to the desires of their flesh. The flesh is Satan’s instrument and those who walk by the flesh do the will of Satan in the earth.

  Christians and Jews are the children of the Spirit, through Isaac, and we walk according to the desires of the Spirit. The Spirit is God’s instrument and those who walk by the Spirit do God’s will in the earth.

  The Spirit and the flesh are opposed to one another and they can’t ever co-exist with one another peacefully. The children of the flesh have and always will oppose and try and destroy the children of the Spirit. But the children of the Spirit have and will continue to overcome the children of the flesh through walking by the guidance and wisdom of the Spirit.

  The Spirit never compromises with the flesh! The Spirit wars against the flesh and overcomes the flesh through the power of God. The Spirit is more powerful than the flesh and nothing awaits the flesh except destruction. The flesh that will not submit to the power of the Spirit will be consumed in the Lake of Fire but the flesh that does submit to the power of the Spirit will be glorified and live with God forever.

  God loves the Palestinians but those who continue to ignore the wittness of the Spirit and war against His plans and purposes in the earth will be consumed in the Lake of Fire. Likewise those who yield to the Spirit and obey Him will be saved from the Lake of Fire.

  The children of the Spirit must never be fearful and compromise their position of power in God! Both the Old and New Testaments teach that the childern of the Spirit will ultimately overcome the children of the flesh, so why compromise with evil? Evil like the flesh can never be satisfied and it will never stop fighting with the Spirit for control.

• 3 Marcel // Mar 6, 2007 at 8:35 pm

  Tracking The Beast
  Here below is just one footprint of the beast who works Satan’s master plan behind the lie of peace.
  The Road Map/U.S. agenda is responsible for so much evil ,not just against the Jews.
  This is covered up and ignored by those who put their trust in lies.
  It’s Satan’s anti-christ war on the saints before our eyes.
  The reality ignored is that the Bush Road Map has given the Palestinian terrorist’s a green light , lots of money,great status and freedom to accomplish their evil agenda ,AND THEY’RE DOING IT WITHOUT RESTRAINT !!!
  The U.S. under President Bush has accomplished the same tragedy with Christians in Iraq who now flee for their lives.
  They were more secure under Saddam Hussein than they are now under the phony peacemaker Bush.
  Truly a man cursed along with everything he touches because he divides Israel !

  Bethlehem Christians Fear Neighbors [Excerpts]

  A number of Christian families have finally decided to break their
  silence and talk openly about what they describe as Muslim persecution
  of the Christian minority in this city.

  The move comes as a result of increased attacks on Christians by
  Muslims
  over the past few months. The families said they wrote letters to
  Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, the Vatican, Church
  leaders and European governments complaining about the attacks, but
  their appeals have fallen on deaf ears.

  According to the families, many Christians have long been afraid to
  complain in public about the campaign of “intimidation” for fear of
  retaliation by their Muslim neighbors and being branded “collaborators”
  with Israel.

  But following an increase in attacks on Christian-owned property in the
  city over the past few months, some Christians are no longer afraid to
  talk about the ultra-sensitive issue. And they are talking openly about
  leaving the city.

  “The situation is very dangerous,” said Samir Qumsiyeh, owner of the
  Beit Sahur-based private Al-Mahd (Nativity) TV station. “I believe that
  15 years from now there will be no Christians left in Bethlehem. Then
  you will need a torch to find a Christian here. This is a very sad
  situation.”

  Qumsiyeh, one of the few Christians willing to speak about the harsh
  conditions of their community, has been the subject of numerous death
  threats. His house was recently attacked with fire-bombs, but no one
  was
  hurt.

  Qumsiyeh said he has documented more than 160 incidents of attacks on
  Christians in the area in recent years.

  Edward Salama, said the problem in the city was the absence of law and
  order. “We are living in a state of chaos and lawlessness,” he said.
  “The police are afraid of the thugs who are taking our lands.”

  Salama expressed deep concern over the conditions of Christians in
  Bethlehem, noting that many were leaving the country as a result of the
  deterioration.

  “When I see what’s happening to Christians here, I worry a lot for our
  future,” he said. “They are targeting Christians, because we are seen
  as
  weak” (Khaled Abu Toameh, The Jerusalem Post, January 25, 2007).

• 4 Joyce // Mar 6, 2007 at 9:13 pm

  Amen Ryan, and I can’t understand how anyone with any sense at all, can’t see this for themselves. That the Palestinians do not want peace with Israel, and will not honor any peace agreement with them. And no matter how much land Israel gives to them, which Israel shouldn’t do, that it will never be enough. It won’t be enough, until they annihilate the Jews from the face of the earth. And I just wonder, what will it take for the Palestinians to do to Israel, before the US realizes that this is their intentions? And also, that they can’t negoiate peace with such irrational people as the Palestinians.

• 5 Marsha Carol Watson // Mar 6, 2007 at 10:11 pm

  Ryan, you write with such truth and passion. You are a blessing to all who seek to know the truth.

  Floyd, your explaining the battle between the children of Light and the children of darkness was so easy to understand. Thank you for doing this for all to read. Truly those who walk in the Spirit will not fulfill the desires of the flesh….there is no gray area here….we must either choose Light or darkness.

  Again, thank you….

• 6 Nerah // Mar 7, 2007 at 12:52 am

  Hi everyone,
  This is a video to sign a petition against the genocide threat of Ahmajinidad. It is illegal per UN to threaten genocide. Go there and e-mail to friends!!! Who knows if it will help, but it sure can’t hurt!!!

  http://www.aish.com/iran/

• 7 Nathan // Mar 7, 2007 at 3:59 am

  Nerah - The UN commits genocide everyday.

  Israel should declare war on the Pals and destroy them. YOU CANT MAKE PEACE WITH A VIOLENT PEOPLE! Why should you talk with them when they want your race wiped out. What’s fair is fair, eye for an eye. For every Israeli killed by a Pal then Isarel flys over in a Cobra or F-15 and takes out a Pal. Tit for Tat, let’s play. But even if Israel did respond like that the stupid Arabs would never get the message and the game would continue anyways, oh well I tried.

• 8 Anne Kraemer // Mar 7, 2007 at 7:22 am

  Nerah,
  I and some friends were wondering about this. We had just begun a petition of our own, but with ignorance as to how to make it a formal Petition. It was for the United Nations and listing the talk and pact of genocide. We thought that charges should be brought against this group (groups) that speak destruction openly. Thank you for that link. I’ll be passing it on.

• 9 Anne Kraemer // Mar 7, 2007 at 7:36 am

  P.S. Also, my other thought here is that
  “an addendum needs be added that if the United Nations does nothing then they indeed are to also ‘be charged with illegal
  and willful neglect of “Nations” or Peoples
  that are being threatened with this.’
  The same is responsible. And for the signing…..we are responsible.

• 10 yitzhak ben Zion // Mar 7, 2007 at 7:46 am

  It is true that you cannot negotiate with terrorists. This is exactly what hamas, the PA and hizbullah are. Abu Mazen speaks through both sides of his mouth. one in english ie peace and the other in arabic ie Israel’s destruction. Sometimes I can’t but feel sorry for the arabs in Gaza and the West bank. I mean, their so called leaders are terrorists interested only in their own agenda’s. They really don’t care about the average arab there. Those of hamas, fatah et al are not a very honorable group. I read a book written years ago by the late Meir Kahane, founder of the Jewish Defense League. It was entitled “They must go”. I thought he was crazy at the time. He said that we will never have peace with the arabs and that they should be forced out of the country, ie relocated. But now, I am wondering if he was so crazy. You are all right,there will be no peace. The international community will always swing towards the biased media for the poor palestinians. Why is it that people cannot see thru this smoke screen. The arabs are the richest people in the world with their oil wells. The so called palestinian arabs are just pawns though and they can’t see it. Not one arab country will lift their hands to help their cousins. Not one. Sure, aid will go thru hamas or the PA but the citizenry will not ever see it. Let’s blame it all on Israel. tsk tsk. Ha satan has pulled the wool over the world’s heads. All we can do is be strong for Israel praying daily for the Peace of Jerusalem and the Israeli’s and those through out the diaspora. 1 that they will pick up their money and talents and make aliya to Israel 2. support Israel with their money and support. It is time for the Jews in Israel to stand and throw out the current government lock stock and barrel. It is time for the Jews and all those who love Israel and the coming of the Messiah to stand firmly with them. As it is said “Never Again”. Shema O’Yisrael, ha Adonai Elohaynu, Adonai echad. Baruch Shem kalvod malchuto laolam va ed. “Hear O Israel, the L-rd our G-d, the L-rd is one. Blessed the Name and His glorious Kingdom for ever and ever. Amain. Shalom
  You cannot negotiate with terrorists. You must destroy them.

• 11 Newel // Mar 7, 2007 at 2:33 pm

  Nathan, have you considered this?

  24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

• 12 Marcel // Mar 7, 2007 at 7:23 pm

  Israel has religiously obeyed their god ,America, in implementing the Road Map for peace.
  This blind faith continues in spite of the decade of abismal failure after failure.
  Israel you have built your future on a house of lies which is about to come tumbling down.
  God said not to surrender his land, your god George say to and you obey him with religious zeal.
  God tells you not to make agreements with those who seek to destroy you and your god Georges say you must, and you religious prostrate yourself to him and obey him even after so many deaths of innocent Jews.
  Your sacrifice to hell for peace devours you and the land.
  Better seperate from your false god and seek the Holy One of Israel while you are able ,because your enemies have no intention of peace with you.
  They only seek your destruction.
  The U.S. is not so stupid to not understand this truth .
  They trafficed in and sold you lies and deception and YOU HAVE BEEN SEDUCED BY THEM !!!
  Can you wake up and break this false god ,this idol before it destroys you ?

• 13 Joyce // Mar 7, 2007 at 7:39 pm

  Amen Anne, the UN should be held accountable if they do nothing about this threat.

  Thanks Nerah for the link, I will tell everyone at my church about it.

• 14 Joanna // Mar 7, 2007 at 9:01 pm

  Let’s be honest folks: governments and some of their peoples know full well the intention of Palestinians. They JUST DON’T CARE! The world hates Jews and they think if tossing them to the dogs will get the Arab world off theirback, it’s no sacrifice to those antisemitic God-hating wicked, wicked people. Of course, it will only encourage our enemy to come after the rest of us next, but the stupid appeasers don’t know or care.

  The US government knows full well what the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world has intentioned (is that even a word?). They throw out pro-Israel sentiments to keep happy those people who are pro-Israel, mostly, but not entirely limited to Conservatives.

  I voted for George Bush in 2004, NOT because I thought he was a friend of Israel, but because I thought he was better than John Kerry. Even an alleged “lesser of two evils” still consists of selecting an evil. I have numerous times expressed my remorse and repentance to my Lord. George Bush is no friend of Israel.

  Sorry for the rambling. Much is on my mind this morning.

• 15 Michael // Mar 7, 2007 at 9:18 pm

  Perhaps more people should read what God has said through two of the prophets of Israel, Jeremiah and Ezekiel.

  In Ezekiel 13:10 we see the truth when dealing with the progeny of Ishmael, which is modern day Islam.

  “…they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace…”

  Islam was birthed out of Arabia, the progeny of Hagar in Ishmael. We are told that in Galatians 4:24 & 25;

  24: Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

  25: For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

  They will not rest until they are eliminated. If Israel let’s down her guard, the wolf will come in.

  It isn’t just a Palestinian problem. It is an Islamic problem. It is the inherant seething anger of Ishmael and Esau trying to gain what was given by covenant to Isaac and Jacob.

  Michael

• 16 Marcel // Mar 7, 2007 at 11:51 pm

  Joanna,
  Don’t apologize for speaking the truth ,and don’t call it rambling .
  It’s so rare to hear such a truthful testimony in these days of strong delusion where the divider of Israel is accepted as a Christian by the decieved ones.
  The devil appearing as an angel of light will have an easy time with this American Church.
  Rambling is what the snakes who push the Road Map are doing.
  Rambling and repackaging the same lie and scam and selling it to the sheep headed for slaughter.
  Never apologize for speaking hte truth !

• 17 Joanna // Mar 8, 2007 at 11:15 am

  Marcel-

  I wasn’t apologizing for speaking the truth, believe me. As I was typing, I felt like my mind was jumping from one thought to another, which is why I felt like I was rambling.

  Thanks for the nice words.

• 18 Marcel // Mar 8, 2007 at 5:10 pm

  Joanna,
  This is the America which Israel follows so religiously today.
  I don’t know hwere so many get the illusion of America being good ?
  You think God might put and end to it ?
  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/staticarticles/article54607.html

• 19 Anne Kraemer // Mar 8, 2007 at 6:09 pm

  While our Nation (America) has a great deal of idolotry and many have been seduced into it’s worship. While those in power and the system of democracy itself is failing, while our Nation is not in a humble place of righteousness, while our leaders have betrayed Israel, and are betraying Israel,There are a remnant (a praying remnant) that in brokeness over the nation of America and Israel and all the war-torn world are pleading for the Lord’s miracles of salvation unto all, that put their trust in Him.
  May we remember where each of us has come from and give God the Glory that is due. There is none that doeth ‘Good” no not one. However, we do have an intercessor and High Priest seated at the right hand of the Father. I put my trust in Him and I humbly submit to His judgment on the world. It took place 2000 years ago at Calvary. I can live with that. He is the faithful witness and His mercy endures forever. ‘Y’shua HaMeshiach the soon and coming King.’ I pray today for wisdom and understanding and Holy Spirit Truth to be poured into all those who are (discerning the times and events) that are coming forth. I pray there will come forth many righteous people in America as they are called by the Spirit to cry out, to speak forth and to publish these events and to stand in the Truth as it is revealed.
  Events are rapidly changing and the time tables of History being made present, are reeling at a pace where ‘We must mount up with wings, like Eagles and where we must run on the water, where we must run with the Horses and yet stay in the Peace that passes ‘All Understanding” I pray this for all of you who read this today. In Jesus name.
  Amen

• 20 Joyce // Mar 8, 2007 at 9:06 pm

  I agree Anne, that all the glory should go to God, and not to us. And that we should all remember as Christians, that “none” of us are any better than the others, because we all make mistakes. As it says in Rom.3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” And as brothers and sisters in Christ, we should love one another, and support one another, and not be in judgement of each other. And that we all should submit to our Lord Jesus Christ as being the judge of us all. And the time for our Lord’s return is drawing near, and we as Christians should be prepared for his return. And our responsibility as Christians should be helping those who are not, and are not prepared, into doing so for his return.

• 21 Joanna // Mar 8, 2007 at 9:54 pm

  I’ve unfortunately known a lot of funky people who do funky things, but that article Marcel gave the address for was absolutely disgusting. I couldn’t even finish reading it.

  In reference to the whole judging thing - there’s judgmentalism and there’s discernment based on the fruits of people. Yes, He is the ultimate judge. But aren’t we supposed to remove from our favor those who claim the name of Christ and then act in a manner unbecoming of Him, especially if they’ve been reprimanded, warned, cajoled, reminded, etc.? How can someone who’s a born-again Christian actively support and say it’s his personal vision to divide the land? Marcel, I think I know what your answer to that is. But it’s more a rhetorical question for people to really think about.

  Lord help us.

• 22 Joyce // Mar 8, 2007 at 11:59 pm

  I believe, we should show our displeasure in someone who claims to be a Christian, and is not acting in the manner as a Christian should. And that is why as a Christian, I proclaim my disapproval of Bush and his policies. Because, of the very fact that he does claim to be a Christian, but that his actions concerning Israel are contrary to his claim. And it does make me wonder, if his claim to be a Christian is true, or not. And of course, I can have my opinion of whether he, or anyone else, is a Christian, or not. But, that is all it would be is my opinion. Because, where I have my opinion about it, another Christian may have a different opinion about it. And that is why, God is the ultimate judge of a someone’s heart.

• 23 Charles Wesley // Mar 9, 2007 at 5:10 am

  How can anyone conceive of ever having peace with those barbarians . Position a sub off their coast and solve the problem may be the only cure for this threat .

• 24 Joanna // Mar 9, 2007 at 7:05 am

  It’s funny you mention that Charles. You just expressed, roughly, a position my sister accuses me of having. A year or two ago, I stopped listening to one of my favorite Christian singers because he was so tightly associated with World Vision. Perhaps he is unaware of their anti-Israel stand. I don’t know. Anyway, when my sister found out she told me that I thought everyone who doesn’t want all the Arabs dead is anti-Israel. I was incredulous, offended, and amused all at the same time. I never expressed any such thing. Oh, how we lovers of Zion are misunderstood. (I almost called us Zionists but I was once strongly scolded for calling myself a Zionist because a Christian can’t be a Zionist - this came from a Jewish man).

• 25 Charles Wesley // Mar 10, 2007 at 3:20 am

  Joanna,
  The word Zionist means someone that supports a Jewish state . I am a Christian therefore I am a Christian Zionist . I guess that it would be possible to be a Muslim Zionist if they agreed that the Jews had the right to exist in Israel, but that’s not likely . This is what Bush is trying to accomplish and is truly doomed from the start . Muslim Zionist is a paradox, just like ( rational Islam ) . We are Christians that love God and support His Chosen People as we were told to do .

• 26 Joanna // Mar 10, 2007 at 3:37 am

  Charles-

  I’m unsure what all the Muslim Zionist stuff was about. But I’ve been studying Israel and its related subjects for nearly 25 years. I know the uses of the word Zionist, both as expressed by the man I referred to as well as how you and I and many others use it. But perhaps you were providing that information for others who don’t know.

• 27 Joanna // Mar 10, 2007 at 3:48 am

  I have had many frustrating experiences lately with people who are very condescending with me relating to what I know about Israel because I’m a lot younger than they are. So I’m very sensitive to these things. I read Charles’ response as such, but when I read it to my mother, she actually chewed me out because she felt he was backing me up, not being condescending to me. So, I would like to apologize to Charles for my unnecessary tone and sensitive knee-jerk reaction.

• 28 Charles Wesley // Mar 10, 2007 at 7:04 am

  I just found a site (christian Zionismexposed ) . My self and my wife have just learned what terrible people we are for not loving those idiots that are trying to kill us and Israel . We know that the Lord will be expressing His affections for them when He returns . Those that come against Israel will recieve a real warm welcome when Jesus returns . Yes , he
  does have the authority to do so , but I still understand that we are to bless Israel so he will bless us . Maybe the bloggers on that site don’t know that they are Infidels .

• 29 Marcel // Mar 10, 2007 at 4:20 pm

  How can someone who’s a born-again Christian actively support and say it’s his personal vision to divide the land?
  Joanna, Josh McDowall’s book title’ Evidence that Demands a Verdict ‘related to Jesus being the Son of God.
  I think the time is long overdue to bring the truth to light about the wolf in sheeps costume ,our president Bush.
  The evidence is piled up high.
  1.He blasphemes the Holy One of Israel by saying allah and Him are one and the same.
  2.He is a liar and all liars go to hell.
  3. He is a deciever having decieved the stupid ,Christians who fall for anything more than once.
  4.He is a New world Order Satanist who pushes forward Satans One World Government out in the open without hiding it.
  5. He is the worst U.S. president weakening Israel and HYPOCRITICALLY pressuring restraint against the Palestinian terrorists, and being the first one to call for a Palestinian state and trampling Israel’s sovereignty as he forces Jews to surender their land to those intent on Israel’s destruction.
  for this alone he is evil ,any yet so many stupid Christians say ‘we cannot judge a wolf who acts as a wolf .
  6.He continues to fund,train and support those intent on destroying Israel after all the mouniting evidence that the Palestinians have no plans to live peaceable with the Jews.
  7.The EVIL hypocrite Bush has a double standard with his Saudi Wahabbi terrorist friends whom he does not pressure .
  He does pressure Israel into suicidal appeasments all the time.
  His Secretary of state Condi Rice returns to Israel in a few weeks to cut up Israel some more as a reward to the enemies of God .
  Any yet so many blind Christians still can’t see the steadfast fruit of this devil ?
  They keep making LAME excuses for theior idol which they stand with.
  The blind lead the blind to hell and the deception will only grown deeper for them.
  They’ve rejected the truth in their herats and embrace delusions and lies.
  They do hate it when the truth about thewir man is spoken. Do not judge is their empty retort as thei cover for their wolf.
  The fact that six years in office pushing his one wolrd agenda and without letup bertaying Israel, so many ‘Christans’ are so blind and asleep reveals they have no light or salt or discernment and the Oil has dried up in their lamps. Matt 25

• 30 Joyce // Mar 10, 2007 at 6:02 pm

  Marcel,
  Calm yourself, or your going to end up having a stroke, or a heart attack if you don’t chill out. I can’t speak for other Christians but will it help you to feel better, if I give you my opinion on whether I believe Bush is a Christian or not? As I’ve said before his actions are contrary to his claim of being a Christian. And my personal opinion is this, I don’t feel that he’s a Christian according to the fruit of his works. Now, by me saying this is not going to condemn him to hell, because as I have said before, this is just my opinion. And I will leave his ultimate judgement up to God. Because, unlike you I don’t want that job. So, I hope have I made myself quite clear on this subject?

• 31 Joyce // Mar 10, 2007 at 9:59 pm

  I know how Joanna feels, about having frustrating experiences. I’ve had a few myself lately, trying to explain my position on the subject of judging if someone is a Christian, or not. And I feel, I should clarify my statement from before by saying, that I should have said, that I don’t feel that he’s acting as a Christian should, according to the fruit of his works. I feel better about clarifying that comment, because unlike some I am not perfect, and I make mistakes like eveybody else does, and that’s why I don’t want to be in judgement of someone’s salvation.

• 32 Marcel // Mar 10, 2007 at 11:27 pm

  “Calm yourself, or your going to end up having a stroke, or a heart attack if you don’t chill out. “

  Joyce, You mean get lukewarm , cold and comatose like the rest of Christiandumb ?
  I sure am glad I am not one of your disciples,as the implied judgment is stroke or heart attack for choosing Jesus’ admonition to be hot or cold.

  “”And I will leave his ultimate judgement up to God. Because, unlike you I don’t want that job. So, I hope have I made myself quite clear on this subject?”"”

  You would have said the same about Herr Hitler ?
  How blind ! Or do you think he is in heaven ?
  Bush has done great evil to Israel and his innocent Jewish blood on his head for pressuring Olmert,Sharon to release Islamic terrorists who have gone out to kill innocent Jews again.
  And you love the limbo ,the purgatory of where this evil man stands ,unless he repents ?
  He’s headed for hell now.
  He has heardened his heart and become more arrogant with all the prayers of Christiandumb for him.
  The wolf Bush has a free ticked and no accountability among Christians .
  He can invite infidel moslems to the WhiteHouse for Ramadan ,rebelling against Jesus’ word not to invite these false demon god worshipers into our homes and not a peep from the comatose sheep.
  The lawless president allows an illegal alien invasion across our borders fro his newe world order and the dumb sheep can only say to those of us who attempt to awaken them .’Chill out man ‘
  The end is nearer than you think !

• 33 Joyce // Mar 11, 2007 at 12:28 am

  Marcel,
  How you can be the judge of anyone, when you can’t even understand what I’m trying to say? The more you say, the more you prove my point, that none of us are without sin. How many times do I have to say that, I DO NOT SUPPORT BUSH OR HIS POLICIES AND THAT HIS ACTIONS ARE NOT THE ACTIONS OF A CHRISTIAN. BUT I COULD ALSO SAY THE SAME ABOUT YOU. And I would assume that according to you, how I feel about you is wrong. But all I have to go by, to make this judgement of you, is your actions, which in my opinion your actions are not very Christian like. Of course that’s just my opinion, just like what you think about me, is your opinion. You are not the only person, that can see that there is evil in this world, and that the end is near. And there are Christians who don’t realize this, but you’re not going to get through to them by badgering, and insulting them. You should admonish them with love, not with hate. And I’m sorry, but that’s how you come across to me, whether that is your intentions or not.

• 34 Charles Wesley // Mar 11, 2007 at 1:24 am

  Marcel ,
  God sent the Jews to Israel as slaves , he brought Babylons army against Israel and many who fought against the determinations of God to punish Israel were killed . Those that complied with Gods determinations lived . I guess that you don’t think that these events your are so much trying to prevent are not controlled by God . You know that these things are going to happen , like God decree’s . So climb down off your throne you are not God . I am sorry if God’s way of doing things does not meet with your approval or time schedule . We all , Christians and Muslims know that the time of the beginning of the Great Tribulation is at hand . Nobody is going to like it or want to live during it but it’s coming anyway . You are doing the Devils work when you spout so much hate and there is nothing to be gained by it . All of that hate brings your commitment to Christ into question .You protest way too much , to the point that I get the idea you voted for Bush ,or didn’t vote against him . I almost think that you believe that God’s will is superceded by Bush . Maybe God wasn’t paying attention , or He was asleep or doesn’t care anymore . Being that your much closer to God than anyone else maybe you could advise Him about whats going on . Maybe give Him a few pointers . I myself believe that He is overseeing every part of this whole thing, even though we can’t seem to manage our daily lives . We are just passengers on this trip we don’t steer , or shift gears we just ride . So shut up and enjoy the view .

• 35 Marcel // Mar 11, 2007 at 2:05 pm

  And there are Christians who don’t realize this, but you’re not going to get through to them by badgering, and insulting them. You should admonish them with love, not with hate.
  Joyce, don’t worry .The time for badgering is almost over as God’s judgment begins at His house.
  Soon, God’s wrath will also wrongly be viewed as hate by the decieved and backslid church.
  Many decieved Christian’s hold this president in high esteem, he is their idol.
  Smashing their unholy idols truly reveals where the saints hearts truly lie.
  God allows evil to rise up in our midst so we can choose ,a test which most Christian’s in America have failed.
  Those who love the truth don’t compromise with the lies and the liars a much of the church has done.
  Of course I make most people feel uncomfortable.
  Praise God, maybe the decieved and comatose
  will wake up.
  I find it amusing that the crowd that says ‘Do not judge’ are always the first to judge.
  I ususlly get the accusation’s of hate from the Islamic crowd.
  Charles continues to blame God for the action’s of Satan and those like him under a strong delusion.
  He get ithe idea .Charles ,I’m reminding the deaf dumb blind and decieved Christians that they were fooled by a wolf in sheeps clothes.
  Those arrogant Christian who love their politician and who refuse to repent don’t like me.
  Those who see the sin of their flesh in trusting in man instead of God and repent understand where I am coming from.
  Charles ,are you going to shut me up ?
  I don’t like the view !

• 36 Charles Wesley // Mar 11, 2007 at 4:22 pm

  Marcel ,
  What exactly is you position in the church that you attend ? Are you a deacon, usher, musician ,song leader , Sunday school teacher , faithful member or that sour old critic on the back row that is in charge of splitting churches ? Or do you attend at all ? I have ask you before what is it that you do for God ?
  How committed are you to God ? Do you tithe on your gross income , net income , every week ? A man committed to to the Lord puts his money where his mouth is . You have some good points but lack the maturity to express them . You may have noticed that I didn’t include Evangelist and certainly not Pastor above ,as it is clear that you are not called for that . Personal attacks are not the works of God for the purpose of saving souls . So who are you working for ? You should read Isaiah 45 verse 7 and you will have the answer about who is directing the Devil within bounds of his ordination . Yes the Devil works within the direction of God . Remember the hedge around Job that God removed so Satan could tempt him . Please read peoples replies to you completely as you are not getting that they agree with you on points but do not agree with your delivery .
  As far as shutting you up , you will wear yourself out and go away . Your kind always does , and most people think that you are off your rocker and will not reply .

• 37 Joyce // Mar 11, 2007 at 6:24 pm

  Marcel,
  If you will read your Bible, then you would see that the Church is not appointed to God’s wrath as it says in 1 Thess.5:9: “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.” And also in verse 14 of the same chap. says this: “Now we exhort you brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.” So which part of what God tells us on how we should treat our brethren, don’t you understand? Or is it that you think your way is better than God’s way, on how you should treat your brethren? Because, except for the part about warning, you have seem to have totally disregarded the other part of the scripture, on how it should be done. And as far as what you said about, “I find it amusing that the crowd that says ‘Do not judge’ are always the first to judge.” I was only discerning the fruit of your works. Do you think that you are above having your works discerned by another Christian? And which if you were able to comprehend my comments that I have made several times before, then you would know that I have said, that I am capable of discerning the fruit of someone’s work. But, that I leave the ultimate judging of someone’s salvation to God. Now if you have a problem with relinquishing that job to God, and Him alone, and if you think He’s not capable of doing it without your help, then I suggest you take that up with God, and not me.

• 38 Nerah // Mar 15, 2007 at 1:35 am

  To all,
  I am not a supporter of the UN=united Nothingness. I believe it is a good Petition and unfortunately the UN is a major government entity that we have to deal with and relate to right now! I was not judging whether the UN has committed genocide. It is obvious of their cluelessness and where they stand. I was focused on Ahmejinadad and however we can get people to stop him. Not that I think it will happen as r/t prophecy, but that doesn’t mean we sit back and do nothing!
  Marcel, can you not be positive about any response that slightly is against yours or is from someone you have disagreed with before. That wasn’t a question really!

• 39 Joyce // Mar 15, 2007 at 6:23 am

  Nerah,
  I have never thought that you were a supporter of the UN. And I appreciated you giving us the information about the petition. So I hope, that I didn’t give you the wrong impression about it.

• 40 Steven // Mar 17, 2007 at 8:12 pm

  To Marcel,

  I find it interesting that you claim that President Bush is hypocrite, and that you vehemently condemn him for harming the State of Israel. Yet, in one of the other discussion forums, you referred to a Jew as a ‘worthless piece of *****’ and you went on to say that he would one day ‘feel God’s righteous indignation’ against him.

  I do not see how you can condemn our President as being “anti-Israel”, when many of your very own words suggest that you are, in very fact, “anti-Israel” yourself.

  So who are Marcel? Are you one of those Christian Identity fools who secretly think that America will become the new Israel, and that the old Israel will be put away? Are you one of those who applies old testament prophecy to America? Are you one of those closet-Nazis? Your words certainly seem to be commensurate with all of those things.

  …I think you would have made George Lincoln Rockwell very proud…

  I’m praying for you, Marcel…

• 41 Charles Wesley // Mar 18, 2007 at 5:05 am

  Steven ,
  Are you aware of the Roadmap to the Dismantling of Israel that Bush has imposed on Israel . Also have you heard that Bush is not going to resupply Israel with critical weapons to defend itself . Bush is going to give back all the buffer zones won while defending itself from attacks by Arab Nations from all sides at one time . The Bush plan will put the battle lines too close to be able to defend Israel . What idiot could trust Arabs not to anhilate Israel as soon as they could amass their armies within easy striking distance of Israel ? Only a moron would believe this plan would do anything more than to put Israel in grave danger . Maybe your esteemed like Judas has a job to do ? Open your eyes to what is going on in Israel .

• 42 Steven // Mar 19, 2007 at 7:49 pm

  Let he whos is without sin cast the first stone.

  I know that the President has not fulfilled his duty to Israel in its entirety. But how can I judge him, for I also am not without sin?

  There is one judge, and only one lawgiver; and He is Jesus the Christ.

  Judge not, lest ye also be judged.

  If ye love America, and if ye love Israel so, then pray for our President rather than condemn him. For, is this not what Christ would have done?

  Love the Lord with all thy heart, and love thy neighbor as thyself. Is this not what the Word of God hath said? If it be so, then pray for him who is in authority over us.

  If our prayers availeth much, then praise be unto God. If our prayers availeth nothing in this matter, then praise be unto God. It is not for us to discern what God will and will not bring forth. All that we may do is submit to God’s perfect will, and live for Christ. We must pray for those who are not in His Perfect will; but judgement is reserved for Christ and Christ alone.

  “He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”
  - 1 John 2:6

  “(9) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. (10) He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. (11) But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because the darkness hath blinded his eyes.”
  - 1 John 2:9-11

  “(7) Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. (8) He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.”
  - 1 John 4:7-8

  If the President be our brother and our neighbor, then is it not so that we must pray for him? Truly it is, for this is as Christ commanded. And though he fall, it is not for us to exact judgement upon him. It is for us to love him as ourselves, and pray for him as we would ourselves. Is this not what Christ would have us do?

  And if he be not our brother, then so be it. Did not Christ say also to love also our enemies?

  Whether he be our brother, or whether he be our enemy, we are still required to love him through God.

  You may be able to deny my words, but surely thou canst not deny the Words of Christ.

  Even if you do not accept my words; so be it. Then accept the Word of Christ.

  Christ commanded that we love our neighbors, but that we love also our enemies.

  Regardless of what you believe he is, it does not change the matter that we must love him through Christ, and that we must also pray for him.

  We must also pray for all our enemies. Though we wage war against those who would kill us, and though this is just, we must still pray for the salvation of our foes. It would better if our foes may one day be counted among the brethren, then if they should continue to be counted among the damned.

  If any man desires damnation for another man, then he seeks not after the ways of Christ.

  Pray for the president, rather than condemn him.

  And though you may deny me, what words of Christ do ye deny? Do you deny that we are to love our neighbors? Do you deny that we are to love our enemies?

  Truly, if we deny ANY words of Christ, then we have no part with the Christ.

  If the President does not completely uphold Israel, then it is true that he does not fulfill the perfect and holy will of God. But, I say unto you that if we do not love him and pray for him, then WE DO NOT fulfill the perfect and holy will of God.

  Why should we not pray for him? Is it not so that when we were gone astray that the Body of Christ made prayer in intercession for us? Then who are we to do any differently?

  The President committed an offense unto Israel, but TRULY WE have ALL committed an offense unto God.

  I say again, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

  If ye are without sin, then judge him that you believe to be in error. But if ye are with sin, as I am also, then it is better to pray for the President. And, moreover, pray that our pride and haughtiness be quelled.

  God despises pride; and he despises a haughty heart.

  If I judge my brother, perhaps I judge righteously; but am I not also a sinner against God? Verily I am, and any man who claims he is not is a liar.

  Do as Christ would.

  Whether he be a brother or foe, pray for him, for this is as Christ would have us do.

  Even if you do not accept me, so be it; for I do not seek your acceptance, I seek only acceptance of Him who Saved me, which is the Christ. But, regardless of what may be, accept the Word of Christ.

  If you do not accept the Word of Christ, then you have no part with the Christ. Just as if I deny the Word of Christ, then I have no part with him either.

  Discern these words which I write to you with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Peace be unto you, and may God make smooth the path before you. In Christ’s Name, Amen.

• 43 Victor Passenheim // Apr 1, 2007 at 7:43 am

  Steve,

  I can’t believe the last post. Lay off the smelling salts.

• 44 Jesus Follower // Apr 16, 2007 at 2:17 pm

  …and to add to the dismantling/destruction of Israel please consider “CAIR,” the Council on American Islamic Relations. And please check out this site: http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

• 45 Charles Wesley // Apr 20, 2007 at 4:32 am

  I have heard that Bush has said he feels that he will lead us into Armageddon . He could be right !

• 46 Democracy and the division of Israel // May 14, 2007 at 4:19 pm

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