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February 28th, 2007  ·  33 Comments

Israeli police recently apprehended a gang of six Israeli Arabs that brutally raped at least four Jewish girls in northern Israel over the past two years in solidarity with their “Palestinian” brethren.

A suiting display of homage to and support for such a violent society, I suppose.

Tellingly, this story is nowhere to be found in the mainstream international media. In fact, as of Wednesday afternoon Israel time, The Jerusalem Post is the only mainstream Israeli news source carrying it!

I want to rephrase a question I asked yesterday in regards to the bestial slaying of a Jewish father near Hebron: What if a gang of six Israeli Jews had brutally and systematically stalked and raped Muslim Arab girls over a period of two years?

I can guarantee that it would be front page news around the globe, that Muslim religious leaders would be up in arms, and that pundits would be ripping into Israel for failing to arrest and punish the culprits sooner.

But since the victims were only Jews, and the perpetrators were Muslim Arabs who aren’t expected to behave any better anyway, I guess it’s not much of a story.

Did I mention that one of the girls was only 13 when they raped her?

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33 comments so far ↓

  • 1 Anne Kraemer // Feb 28, 2007 at 5:37 pm

    When I read this, my whole being is in violence. I shake and I want to scream.
    I have a tongue in which begins to roll, first an unmerciful judgment to the guilty. This is from God. Then I speak, Oh God my Father……weeping….I pray for His mercy for those girls. I speak in my hidden language between Heaven and Earth and I wait for the waves of indignation to roll over me, for I feel with the heart of God, and it is His ‘outrageous Fury” and His “tender mercy”. So then I pray for God to reach deep into each child and apply a healing oinment, a Balm of Gilead, a pool Saloam then I pray for the parents of these young girls, that they may place their faith in God to heal the wounds and not tarry. In the storehouse of Heaven are Rachel’s tears in fathomless vessels. I speak judgment to all who hurt children in this way. I know that I will one day be present when the Lord God has His Angels take those vessels of tears and pour them upon all of the wicked who have perpetrated children in this manner, I speak judgment that those tears will burn their flesh for the length of time that has been decreed.
    In Jesus Name!!!!! So Be it.

  • 2 Anne Kraemer // Feb 28, 2007 at 5:55 pm

    I am one sent of “the Lord-God’s Media.”
    I will not be silenced.

  • 3 Charles Wesley // Mar 1, 2007 at 12:07 am

    The squeaky wheel gets the grease . The news organizations are as inflammatory as anyone especially against the Jews . Satan will not attack irrelevant religions such as those that oppose Christianity . These cults (Islam) can be taught as a required subject in schools where mentioning Jesus can get you removed from the premises . But you can be charged for a hate crime if you talk against homsexuality or discriminate against Islam . They have Satan but we have Jesus and I don’t want to trade . Look for things to go South .

  • 4 Marsha Carol Watson // Mar 1, 2007 at 5:27 am

    Arise O God and let your enemies be scattered!!!!

  • 5 Nathan // Mar 1, 2007 at 5:48 am

    This is exacly why the Pals belong in Zoos and not the West Bank. The little animals that committed the rapes should be put to death as should anyone who commits such a crime. Yeah accept it their animals.

  • 6 Joyce // Mar 1, 2007 at 7:08 am

    My heart goes out to those girls, and their families, and I hope those, that are guilty of these senseless crimes, will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. And the media’s lack of interest in covering this story of course, as we all know, is because they were Israeli girls, and that there would not be the uproar about it, like there would be, had it been Arab girls, that had been raped by a gang of Israeli’s. And also because most of the media, and the world, is biased against Israel. So much for fair and balanced reporting. And if a story they’re covering isn’t generating enough turmoil, then they will try to egg it on. I saw that happen the other day on the local news that I was watching. A reporter was putting words in a woman’s mouth, because she wasn’t saying the things the way he wanted her to. The way she was responding to his questions, was not inciting the discontentment that he obviously wanted it to. And it seems to me, that’s mainly what most of the media cares about, is stirring up controversy, and unrest, in the world.

  • 7 Marcel // Mar 1, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    The whole earth lies in wickedness .
    When good is marked as evil and evil is raised up as good ,you must know that the wrath of God is not too far away.
    Jesus promised to shake everything and everything is what will be shaken. This corrupt polluted earth cannot stand much longer.There is no justice in the land .
    Lies get front page while there is a famine of the truth .The rebellious planet hates the light and digs deeper into their dark hearts for filth and perversion,evil and demons.
    Many of those who walk in the light have become comfortable with their lives in this present darkness and have grown to accept the way things are.

    The Rock or the Vote
    The Carnal American Christian is activly involved in this world system ,voting for his flesh of choice.
    The more polished their devious snake of choice is the higher they lift him up to worship.
    No matter what evil he does,their chosen one has a magic pass which no one else has.
    Idol’s do have special status.
    They truly have gone after idol’s ,choosing for themselves a replacement king.
    They champion their man and place him upon a pedestal as their god who can do no wrong.
    He never fulfills the promises he made to seduce these carnal Christian voters
    because as all natural politicians are he’s a liar.
    This is not problem for the carnal christian,asliars with an R after their name are OK. If the liar has a D after their name that makes it not OK.
    What do you expect from deluded,carnal christian hypocrites who have fallen so low as to accept the lesser of two evils.
    If you tell them this is not how God works ,they look at you like a deer in the headlights.
    Clueless and loving it.
    Any who would dare reveal the deciet and corruption of their god recieves retribution
    and rejection from the religious hypocrites.
    These carnal christian hypocrites have just enough religion to choke on.
    They never accomplish much of anything these blind backslid saints.
    They have forgotten Jesus’ words ‘My Kingdom is not of this world ”
    Rather than follow the example of the apostles that the weapons of our warfare are spiritual
    and not political,carnal they choose the political religious template of Rome
    Thier agenda is not pure but evil at heart because they selfishly work to keep a
    comfortable status quo in their chosen earthly kingdom.
    If you tell them how dark their U.S. kingdom is, they become deaf so as not to shake up their
    unbiblical belief that America is their0 new and never wrong, their perfect and undefeatable promised land.
    Any who speak the truth of their filthy, perverted ,totally corrupt,evil hardened ,unrepentant
    and doomed nation are ignored ,rejected
    or set upon with false aaccusations to discredit the truth.
    It is almost impossible to awaken these decieved carnal christian’s as they are
    already under God’s strong delusion sent upon those who walk after their flesh and not
    His Spirit.

  • 8 Nerah // Mar 3, 2007 at 7:44 am

    Marcel, I hardly think that the American Government is never wrong or President Bush for that matter. However he is our President, and a Christian man of YHVH. He deserves our prayers…especially since he is practically the only one who wants to take action with war, and stick it out! He is the main man who can help us right now, because the majority of the rest of the government is clueless!!! I wonder why you are always attacking Christians? I agree there are plenty who are blind and worldly, however it seems your words seem rather Judgemental towards fellow believers?

  • 9 Joyce // Mar 3, 2007 at 11:11 pm

    Hey Nerah, it’s good hearing from you, we’ve missed you. Good luck with talking to Marcel, just watch out for the fire storm of criticism your going to get for saying, that President Bush is a Christian. Believe me I know, because that’s what happened to me when I said, that he is a Christian. And also, how he shouldn’t be so judgemental about fellow Christians. Because we are supposed to love our brothers, and sisters, in Christ. And yes, there are those Christians, that are blind to what’s going on, but instead of attacking them the way he does, we should with love help them to realize these things. I pray, you’ll have better luck getting through to him, than Charles and I did.

    God bless you.

  • 10 Victor Passenheim // Mar 4, 2007 at 5:06 am

    Nerah, Joyce,

    I’m definitely with Marcel on this one. A Christian would NOT divide the land of Israel. Somebody who OPPOSES the will of God, however, would. How many times do we have to be reminded “Actions speak louder than words”. If you were to compile a summary of Bush’s pronouncements on Israel and the situation in the Middle East, it would conclusively bear out that Bush is NOT a friend of Israel’s. Likewise, if were to compile a summary of what God states concerning the Promised Land…

    The message could not be clearer as is God’s judgment on this issue. Let’s stop deluding ourselves.

    What should really alarm us, is that “Christians” aren’t alarmed… But we are forewarned about that, likewise.

  • 11 Joyce // Mar 4, 2007 at 6:53 am

    Victor,
    When I said that before about Bush, and Carter, being Christians, I was actually referring to them as that, because that is what they claim to be. I was not stating it as my personal opinion about them. Because I agree, a Christian should not oppose the will of God, or divide the land of Israel. I have said numerous times that I do not agree with Bush or his policies and I certainly don’t agree with anything to do with Carter either. But when I said that to Nerah I was more, or less, joking about how I got blasted for saying the same thing. And that’s all I meant by making that comment about Bush again.

  • 12 Nerah // Mar 4, 2007 at 7:18 am

    Victor, Joyce,
    Although I absolutely agree regarding giving away the land, giving money to terrorists etc. !!! There are however alot of Christians that don’t get this. Are they all Not Christians because they are looking at the Bible through gentile eyes? Are they all not Christians because they believe what the mainstream media tells us and follow the view of the world and US congress? I don’t think so I think many are just blind!!! YHVH looks at the heart…and yes the fruit, but I think with many it is just ignorance. I don’t think they are all false Christians. However I do believe YHVH is calling us to be Hot or cold!!! I said that before. I am VERY frustrated that people don’t want to know the truth!!! As far as Bush specifically, My main point is he needs prayer, he is the only one standing for Israel and war on terror in a “somewhat” realistic way. I do believe he is a Christian . We have to remeber he is not a king and doesn’t have total control of everything. Imagine trying to run acountry as big as US with everything that is going on and practically EVERYONE against him. Believe me I am sick of the way our entire government is NOT supporting Israel. and the road map to H#%%!!! I was mourning after the state of the union address because there was no mention of Israel. Although after they said they would support them.

  • 13 Charles Wesley // Mar 4, 2007 at 8:22 am

    Nerah,
    I agree Bush does need our prayers. And whether Bush is a Christian, I can’t say for sure one way, or the other. Because for one thing, I don’t know him personally, and I believe, that I should know someone more on a personal level, before I can say for sure whether I believe if they are a Christian, or not. I agree with Victor, that a Christian shouldn’t oppose the will of God, or divide up the land of Israel. But I can’t say for sure, that Bush actions are because he’s not a Christian, or if it’s because he’s a Christian, that is not well informed about the Bible. Because there are a lot of Christians, who do not read their Bible the way they should, and are not well informed on things the way they should be. And as I have said before, how I feel about whether he’s a Christian or not would just be my opinion. Because God is the ultimate judge of someone’s salvation.

  • 14 Joyce // Mar 4, 2007 at 8:27 am

    Nerah,
    That last comment was mine not Charles’. Sorry I forgot to change his name.

  • 15 Joyce // Mar 4, 2007 at 10:37 am

    To whom it may concern, I would like to say something else. I am really getting tired of defending my position on this subject. I feel that it is my right to decide for myself, when I will discern the Christianity of others, just like it’s the right of others to decide when they will. I’m not going to rush to judgement of others, without knowing all the facts first, just because someone else does. If that’s the way they want to do things, that is their business. But that’s not how I do things, and that is my business. And I do realize, that we are to discern a Christian’s works, by the fruit they bear. But I don’t believe that’s all we are to go by, for discerning someone’s Christianity. Because, as we all know, you can not be saved by works. It is only through the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, that we are saved. And as I have said before, there are a lot of backslid Christians, and Christians who are not well informed. Because they don’t go to church the way they should, and don’t read their Bibles as they should. And if your a Christian, and you don’t do these things the way you should, then you are not going to grow in the knowledge of the Lord. But in my opinion, that doesn’t necessarily mean, that they are not a Christian. It could just mean, that they are not a very dedicated one. And that they need, to re-dedicate their lives to the Lord. So, if you want to judge people because of their works, and nothing else, then you go right ahead, but please don’t expect me too.

  • 16 Joyce // Mar 4, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    Nerah,
    I just wanted to let you know that on my comment # 13 I was commenting to Victor also. It was late and I was tired and I just forgot to put his name on there too.

  • 17 Nerah // Mar 4, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    Joyce,
    Amen

  • 18 Victor Passenheim // Mar 5, 2007 at 3:23 am

    Nerah,

    Regarding comment #12, remember the parable of the goats and the sheep. Jesus never makes a distinction between Jewish or Gentile believers, but clearly makes a distinction between those He knows and those He does not know.

    You cannot, in full conscience (and be sure that Bush has heard more than a time or two the admonish about dividing the land), set yourself DIRECTLY in opposition to God and keep that course without flinching, and then at the same time be a true child of God. That doesn’t even come up as a possibility in Scripture. However, we are often warned about those exhibit such behavior, and we’re admonished along the lines of parables such as the goat and the sheep, “faith without works…”, and “God is not mocked…” The warnings are everywhere.

  • 19 Victor Passenheim // Mar 5, 2007 at 3:55 am

    Joyce,

    Regarding comment #15, we are SPECIFICALLY judged based on what we do and don’t do. This is not just something people do. More importantly, it is something God does and that’s everywhere in Scripture. And, of course, we are redeemed by the blood of Jesus, but remember the admonitions (Faith without works is dead) and they are found throughout Scripture as to drive home a point.

    I am not interested in “judging someone’s salvation” that’s impossible, pointless, and simply misses the mark altogether, because if Bush were NOT a Christian we are exhorted to pray for his salvation and, simply, pray for him as a leader in authority. However, what SHOCKS me (although less and less every day), is how mute the Church has been on the issue of a “Christian” president who is willing to ethnically cleanse parts of Israel which were won in wars against enemies hell bent on her destruction, in order to give it to terrorists, making Israel’s borders indefensible, then proceed to strengthen this ‘thugocracy’ both militarily and financially with taxpayer money as a fit reward for the constant and unrelenting indoctrination of their own populace in the ways of terror, which will then be used to further kill and maim more innocent, peace loving Israelis until there are none left (very long run-on sentence).

    The silence from the Church is deafening. And to top it off, the best we come up in response to all this is to say “He’s a Christian”. That statement isn’t even close to being off target. Where is the outrage? Where is the public call to repentance. Where is the confrontation. Be not mistaken. Those are OUR duties as Christians - to expose the darkness with the light.

    Any response on our part short of that is completely off the mark and useless. And more importantly, God will not care for it.

    How did we get so chummy with the Lord? Maybe we read it in the Bible somewhere…

  • 20 Joyce // Mar 5, 2007 at 7:41 am

    Victor,
    Of course, I know that the works of a Christian are important. And I know that faith without works is dead. I didn’t mean for anyone to think, that I don’t think that works are important. All that I am trying to say is, that there are backsliding Christians, and when a Christian is in that condition, their works are not the works of a faithful Christian. But they’re still Christians. So judging someone by their works alone you might misjudge someone that is a backsliding Christian. And when I say this, I am talking about people that you don’t know very well. Because if it’s someone that you know personally, then yes, you should be able to tell by their works whether they are Christian, or not, or if they are in a backslidden condition. And that is all that I was trying to say concerning President Bush who claims to be a Christian, that I don’t him well enough personally to say for sure whether he’s a Christian, or not. But if he is a Christian, then I can say by his works concerning Israel, that he’s not a well informed Christian, and I don’t agree with his policies concerning Israel, and I think it’s important to say so. But if you feel, that you know Bush well enough to say whether he’s a Christian, or not, than more power to you. Because, it is your right to feel about him however you want to. Every Christian has their own personal relationship with the Lord, and they have their own feelings, of how the Lord would want them to feel if someone, is a Christian or not. And all I’m saying is, that I won’t make that decision for sure about someone, without knowing them better. Because that’s what I feel, the Lord would want.

  • 21 Joyce // Mar 5, 2007 at 10:34 am

    What I’m really trying to say here is this, because I feel as if I’m not getting my point across about this subject, President Bush claims that he is a Christian, and I’m not going to be the one to say that he’s not. Because, as I said before I don’t know him well enough to make that decision, even if I was going to do so ,but I’m not. So I’ll leave that up to all you wise, and all knowing Christians, to do so if that is what you feel that you should do. Because, it’s not my place to tell you what to do, just like it’s not yours to tell me what to do. And I don’t know about all of you, but I believe, it’s God’s place to tell me what to do about this. And I believe, that if I’m wrong about this, that you can be sure God will let me know.

  • 22 Steven // Mar 5, 2007 at 8:38 pm

    I have met our beloved President, and I have looked directly into his eyes, the windows of the soul. Let me tell you plainly that President Bush is a G-d-fearing man. He professes to be a Christian, and I have seen nothing which would suggest otherwise.

    Now I wish to reply to some earlier comments which read something like this: “no Christian would divide the land of Israel.” And there were a few other comments by Marcel and Victor, which suggested that a “real Christian” would act in one way, and George W Bush has allegedly acted in another, and therefore he “must not be a real Christian.” Come on, guys, are you serious? Is this amateur hour, or something?

    Look, we are all sinners - as it is written, “for all have come short of the glory of G-d”, and it is also written that “there is none righteous; no not one.”

    Everyone sins. The fact that I’m a Christian doesn’t mean that I no longer sin. Of course, I try my best to walk according to G-d’s will. But, since I still live in the flesh, it is inevitable that I fall from time to time. The Book of Romans, as does almost every other epistle, speaks much on the subject matter of Christians struggling in the battle of the spiritual realm versus the fleshly (or the physical) realm.

    What I’m trying to say is this: just because George W Bush does not walk perfectly, this does not mean that “he isn’t a Christian.” If we could be perfect, we wouldn’t need Christ; we wouldn’t need salvation. And maybe some of you don’t struggle with the sins that George W Bush struggles with; that’s great. But, I’m betting dollars to doughnuts that you all (like myself) have OTHER sins that you (and I) struggle with EVERY DAY. Sins like…Pride, perhaps? Lust? Hate? Untruthfulness? Lasciviousness?

    Pull the beam out of your own eye before you pull the moat out of your brother’s eye.

    I am not saying that we condone sin. And, I do agree that Israel should not be partitioned. But that is not my point. My point is that it is NOT for YOU or I to judge whether or not a man is really a Christian; that is for Christ to judge.

    If a man truly walks in sin, rebuke him out of love; chasten him as Christ would. But do not judge unrighteously, lest you also fall into temptation.

    It is by G-d’s grace that we may walk above temptation; by G-d’s grace alone. And if any man think himself to be spiritual, then he is not. And if any man think himself to be holy, he is not.

    Before you judge others, examine your own soul and judge yourself. And if you do this, and you say “I have committed no sin”, then I’d advise you to look closer…

    …For after all, we are ALL sinners…well, that is unless you are one of those Christians who “doesn’t sin”…

  • 23 Joyce // Mar 5, 2007 at 10:37 pm

    Amen Steven.

  • 24 Steven // Mar 6, 2007 at 1:48 am

    Thank you kindly, Joyce

  • 25 Victor Passenheim // Mar 6, 2007 at 1:59 am

    What I have said is totally mischaracterized (as reading the first sentence of my second paragraph in comment 19 would prove) and the point is still completely missed, which probably goes to explain how the Church is completely silent on this issue and why, at best, support for Israel in the Church is incidental and not a central concern.

    Okay, let’s not rock the boat and let’s keep praising our ‘beloved’ President (because I’m sure the Lord has the same opinion about what he’s done and God forbid that there should be any public outcry on this issue).

    Of course, I don’t have the added benefit of having had the opportunity of “looking directly into his eyes, the windows of the soul” to make an accurate assessment on the perceived “travesty” committed against the apple of God’s eye, Israel.

    Oh, bite my wicked tongue!

  • 26 Nerah // Mar 6, 2007 at 7:22 am

    Steven,
    Amen!!!
    Victor,
    I believe I have made my views clear enough on this subject!!! However I do agree with you that it is horrendous that our government in general is not supporting Israel in a greater even radical way! I do think we as Christians should try to do whatever we can. and inform people! So we can write letters, vote, fight laws and proposals, support groups that fight the wrong,etc. But reality is our President is alot better than the Congress or Senate!!! Look at what he has done just to increase troops in Iraq and people have wanted to impeach him. As I have repeated before he has everyone against him. And he is not a king, he does not rule and make all decisions. President Bush has been thus far one of the most ethical presidents. He has not that I or we are aware of, done anything illegal or Immoral. I know you are going to say not supporting Israel enough is immoral. I believe he is trying! Like I said before he will have to stand against all, possibly having the end result of death of his career. I agree God’s will is more important!! and I do not condone the things our government has done to hurt Israel. I believe Steven’s comment were right on! I feel we need to be careful who we judge in a condemning way(Christians I mean)! There is the key. Alot of the comments here are condemning our President, not just judging his actions as right or wrong.

  • 27 Victor Passenheim // Mar 6, 2007 at 11:26 am

    Nerah,

    I couldn’t disagree with you more on a few things you said. If it were up to the Congress and Senate, Israel would be far better off. Bush’s policies are more in line with the State Department’s and the State Department has been an enemy of Israel from the very beginning. And now, for the first time ever, we have a President who has done more than just give lip service to the enemies of Israel, the first President to divide the land of Israel and give it to her enemies. If THAT’s not IMMORAL, then I don’t know what is.

    Those are the facts!

    This is NOT about “condemning Christian, judging….” . You can continue to characterize my comments that way and you’re free to do so until you’re blue in the face, but the fact remains that we are exhorted many times throughout Scripture to speak truth to one another, to rebuke where appropriate (1 Timothy 5,
    2 Timothy 4, Proverbs 29:1, Proverbs 17:10,**Proverbs 24:24,25, Proverbs 27:5, Proverbs 13:1,8, Proverbs 19:24,25, Ecclesiastes 7:5
    Proverbs 28:23, among others). I haven’t heard a word of it from Christian leadership. Rather the opposite is the case. This board is case in point.

    With regards to Bush, you should be asking yourself will the byword for this generation of the Church be “And again the Church was silent!” Our silence on this matter can only be interpreted as tacit approval of what Scripture clearly, and in no uncertain terms, condemns - the dividing of God’s Promised land to His people and giving it over to thieves, murderers, and enemies of God.

    With regards to rewarding good with evil (or the corollary, rewarding evil people for evil deeds), just a few verses from Scripture:

    Proverbs 17:13
    Proverbs 28:10
    Ecclesiastes 12:14
    Isaiah 5:20

    As far as Iraq is concerned, I question the wisdom in trying to reform an entire nation to the ways of democracy. Freedom tends to only flourish in freedom loving societies. America is so vital a democracy, because our founders where men of wisdom and strong faith in Judeo-Christian ethics and principles, and most of the population of our fledgling nation were people who adhered to these principles. These principles were rooted in their heart and well established in their way of thinking. None of this can be said for Iraqis. Sure, it would be in our best interest if it were to succeed. But here again, we should take a page out of Scripture and realize that Genesis 16:12 is simply very hard to overlook.

    What’s most distressing and disappointing is the tone coming from many people on this board. To me, it almost reflects Malachi 2:17.

  • 28 Nerah // Mar 7, 2007 at 1:47 am

    Victor,
    I do not get blue in the face over disagreements like this! I believe we should be able to discuss things without hate or sinning in anger! I agree that trying to reform Iraq is absolutely pointless! They will not reform. I do think we can pray for individuals in Iraq and our enemies. Ephesians 6:12, prayer I believe is MORE important and powerful than anything!!! I do not support our troops working next to Iraqi soldiers or US trying to reform Iraq! the muslim religion cannot be trusted it is in thier religion and belief system to lie, especially in Jihad. I believe we should go in and wipe them out..The terrorists, not the civilians of course!!! I believe the tactics being used in Iraq at this time are wrong. We need more troops, alot more!!! But people will not even let Bush continue to move forward with increasing troops. We have to remember we do not see everything that goes on in the government. Do you think if we puled out that all would stop and the muslims will calm down? no that is exactly what they want. They see US and Israel as weak for not taking more action! I am not sure where you get that I think it is ok for the church or government to be silent about Israel or our governments wrongs. We should never be silent! Do you believe Clinton did better? So moral and he really helped Israel with supporting the Oslo Peace Accords. Creating a terrorist(oops I mean Palestinian) authority. Yes Genesis16:12 can not be overlooked, that is why we need troops in Iraq! Lets not forget about 9-11, and yes thier were weapons of mass destruction! Russia and Syria are/have helped so much with that! Isaiah 5:20 works both ways.. good.. evil also. Ecc.12:14 yes God will bring every work and secret thing into judgement. That is God not us! We do not know the heart of President Bush. It is for God to judge! No I don’t mean no action, I believe I have made that clear! I don’t believe anyone here is saying evildoers are good. There is a differance of opinion on who is truly considered evil in God’s eyes. God is the God of Justice and he will bring it!

  • 29 Joyce // Mar 7, 2007 at 1:59 am

    Victor,
    I’d like to say a few more things, not in arguing my point with you, but as hopefully mending some hurt, and disappointed feelings on either side. Because, as far as I can tell, from reading all your other comments. I believe, that we agree on a lot of the same things. And I have always respected you, and your views. And just because, we may not agree on this certain subject. We do agree about what’s most important and that is, for our salvation we have to repent our sins, and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. And I want to apologize, for letting my temper get the best of me. And I hope, that we can still be friends.

    God bless you.

  • 30 Steven // Mar 7, 2007 at 2:30 am

    Victor,

    You are incorrect in your assertion that Israel would be better off “if it were up to the Congress and Senate.” The American Congress has proven itself to be decidedly anti-Israeli. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have repeatedly made remarks which suggest that they believe Israel has “been too harsh” in responding to the attacks from Lebanon. The Democratic Party have advocated the use of a UN “occupational peace-keeping force”, which would prohibit Israel from reacting “too harshly” against Lebanon or Palestine.

    No, Victor, I am afraid that you are greatly misguided, and should consider reexamining your extra-ideological paradigm. George W Bush is perhaps the only American statesman who has firmly supported the absolute sovereignty and sanctity of the Divine Right of Israel.

    And as for the Iraq War, I have the following to say: If Democracy truly is the best form of government (which I believe) then it is the best form of government for ALL peoples. G-d made man in His image, regardless of whether that man is black or white, Islamic or Christian, etc. G-d instilled within each man the desire to live in freedom. We were created to live in freedom, but sin has caused us to live in bondage. But this bondage is not the natural state of being for our physical and spiritual bodies. And therefore, there is an inborn desire for each man to be free. And this desire can only be suppressed through groupthink and brainwashing, which is, by the way, the aim of the Islamic religion.

    Let me perfectly clear that the Iraq War is not a war in of itself - it is a campaign in a greater war to free the world.

    Our nation must free those who are in bondage, for if we do not act in this manner, then we are hypocrites and freedom will die with our hypocrisy.

    I am reminded of the allegory of the cave, which tells the story of a man who is bound in chains, forced to face the wall of the cave. Behind this man in bondage is the real world, and yet, still, behind this real world is a fire which illuminates the real world. The illumination of the fire projects a light upon the free world, which casts shadows upon the cave’s wall. The man in bondage cannot see the real world - he cannot be enlightened - unless another, free man, comes to set him free. This liberator comes to release the man from his chains, and this bond man is now free and may, for the first time in his life, see the real world. This is symbolic of enlightenment, both spiritual and physical.

    But the allegory is very clear in stating that if the emancipated man does not return to the cave to free others in bondage, then there is no point in his own emancipation. And, eventually, this free man will die; so by nature, it is required that he free others to continue his kind; otherwise, he will one day die and freedom will die with him.

    It is the duty of the free world to liberate the slave world. And if we do not embrace and carry out this task, then we are all hypocrites and liars, and we are then undeserving of any sort of freedom and liberty.

    I am also reminded of the great statesman Winston Churchill, who clearly asserted that if there is nothing worth dying for, then there is nothing worth living for. If we are not willing to die for the cause of freedom, then we are not true believers in the cause of freedom.

    Since Islam is a religion of slavishness, then it is required of us who believe in freedom to eradicate this religion. Freedom cannot exist with slavery; liberty cannot exist with bondage. We must destroy slavery, or die in it.

  • 31 Charles Wesley // Mar 7, 2007 at 3:53 am

    Steven,
    I believe for the most part those Arabs that are causing all the problems are young people with a poor outlook for their future . Of course Israel makes a good target for blaming their cultures failures on . You cant ‘t free them , the terrorist that attacks us will kill them also for joining the free world . They are also being held hostage by the murdering morons . The Radicals want to keep their hostages without education , law and living in the stone ages so they can easily exercise control over them . Otherwise the radicals would have to put down their guns and get a job . Living in a struggling economy makes it easy to recruit ( pay) militia men .

  • 32 Nerah // Mar 10, 2007 at 9:01 am

    Steven, you speak with integrity and wisdom. I am not sure democracy is the ideal government though it is the best we have with humans I believe. The ideal government is a kingdom where Yeshua Mashiach rules and reigns! Amen. I do think what you have said about freeing the world etc. is great and true however I tend to agree with Charles also in that these people can not completely be freed, that will only happen when they turn to Yeshua. For alot of them I fear it is never and others not untill yeshua comes and the tribulation…vis e vis. However that does not mean we should not minister to and pray for them when possible! Of course it is no longer time to have diplomatic negotions with them. But I think you are aware of that.?

  • 33 Victor Passenheim // Mar 12, 2007 at 8:38 am

    Joyce,

    We never stopped being friends and I appreciate that you stand for Israel at a time when precious few do.

    Steven,

    “George W Bush is perhaps the only American statesman who has firmly supported the absolute sovereignty and sanctity of the Divine Right of Israel.”

    Wow, I guess that’s where that whole plan to ‘relieve’ Israel of the ‘West Bank’, the Golan Heights, and east Jerusalem comes into play. We’re pushing for a 23rd Arab state to be carved out of land that by any definition belongs to the state of Israel, due to our “firm support for the absolute sovereignty and sanctity of the Divine Right of Israel”.

    I don’t buy it.

    I do agree that we are in a major war between Islam and the West. Your assertions about Congress is only correct in the light of the past 6 months. Everything before that points to a Congress that has overwhelmingly voted on the side of Israel. Not so always with the White House.

    Regarding the Iraq war. If we seriously think that we can reform that country and thus help our efforts in the greater war against Islam, I believe we are misguided in this sense, and may eventually be expending too many resources in a lost cause. On the other hand, I believe we need to hit our enemies hard (the global Islamic Jihadists) so as to make it very painful on their behalf to continue to try to pick a fight with us. Furthermore, all those oil fields in Iraq - it’s about time we took them over and safeguarded our position so as to be one of strength. This would send a clear message to these thugs that every time they try to rear their ugly faces, we will pull the rug from under them and bring them to their knees so quickly they will not know what hit them.

    Also, with regards to freeing the world. America can and should do some of this, but we cannot be the world’s sentinel in this regard. You make the basic assumption that all peoples want to be free. This is simply not so. Just because currently subjugated peoples want to remove their shackles, doesn’t mean they understand freedom or even cherish it as a principle. I guarantee you, that for the most part, as soon as you help”free” a people currently under some kind of bondage, those same people will turn around and try to put their subjugators in bondage.

    Freedom loving people are the minority in the world today. I view this in very much the same way as Jesus’ statement: the poor you always have with you. Even Jesus couldn’t bring about the freedom of His people, Israel, for one simple reason. Freedom is not free, and often, also, not welcome. And if you can’t bring freedom to those who simply don’t want to be free, then you have to get involved to the degree that you can bring about an end to suffering.

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