I do genuinely feel for those of Middle Eastern descent who would not harm a fly, but are still subjected to certain forms of discrimination as a result of what their fellow Arabs are doing around the world.
But the simple fact remains that the enormous majority of terrorist actions in the world today are being perpetrated by Muslims of Middle Eastern descent.
To not racially profile this group of people, even to the minor inconvenience of the truly innocent ones, is just stupid.
Up until now, Israel has avoided participating in that particular form of stupidity. Leave it to Olmert to put an end to that.
Certainly Olmert does not need to be reminded of how many times in recent years Israeli Arabs, and not just “Palestinians,” have been involved in acts of terrorism against the Jewish state.
And there could be no more juicy target for those killers than to bring down or hijack Jew-filled airliners.
Until now, Israel, despite being such a major target for the jihadis, has had a stellar record of dealing with threats against its airports precisely because it racially profiles the one group capable of such attacks, rather than expending its resources inspecting everyone equally.
If Olmert’s new directive is not reversed via pressure or the downfall of the government, I think we can expect to see a hijacking or other major terror attack at an Israeli airport very soon.
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51 comments so far ↓
1 Nathan // Feb 23, 2007 at 4:06 pm
This is so amazing. How can Olmert be so foolish? Why has a vote of no-confidence being put towards Olmert? Israel is recognized as having the best airport and airplane security in the world. The world needs to stop pretending that Arabs are not terrorists and get with the program. We are going to fool ourselves to death, literally.
2 Marcel // Feb 23, 2007 at 7:19 pm
You have to open both eyes to see why Olmert did this at this time.
Olmert has recieved his orders from the secretary and he is fast implementing not just the easing of security on the arabs but much,much more.
It’s amazing that so many of you still can’t put it together or completly ignore this connection to what Olmert does so soon after Secretary rice’s visit.
He also called for the Karni corssing into Gaza to be kept open longer.
Business takes precedent over Jewish lives in the Bush White House.
Make no mistake about it, President Bush and his loyal puppet have much innocent Jewish blood on their hands.
3 Loretta Taylor // Feb 23, 2007 at 7:28 pm
Olmet is not just foolish. He is downright stupid.
He is blind and deaf to the truth of who the enemy
is -that there is no land for peace-that is a non
existant fantasy created by the PA or the Americans
or both. I am an American and right now not a very
proud one. I cannot believe that we have abandoned
our friend Israel to the enemy which is what we are
doing. Everyone involved in dividing up the land
of Israel will have the wrath of God to deal with. God
said you shall not divide the land.
WHERE IS BIBI???????? ISRAEL NEEDS A PM
WHO IS NOT AFRAID OF THE ENEMY, WHO
WILL STAND THEIR GROUND FOR THE SECURITY OF ISRAEL WHETHER AMERICA LIKES IT OR NOT. AMERICA HAS NOT KEPT
HER WORD TO ISRAEL EITHER. SHAME ON US!
4 Joyce // Feb 23, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Olmert just keeps making mistake after mistake. It just makes you wonder what his next blunder will be. And unfortunately it’s all at the risk of Israel’s safety and security. Hopefully Israel will do something to change this fiasco before a tragedy occurs.
5 Newel // Feb 23, 2007 at 8:48 pm
So you all are equating the easing of security inspections to dropping them all together? The remedy should be that everyone is inspected the same way or not at all. Or do you have a problem with that as well?
6 Joyce // Feb 23, 2007 at 10:14 pm
I believe that Olmert is responding to pressure from the US, and that Americans should be ashamed, and outraged at our government for doing this. And I believe, that the US will be punished severely, for our government doing such a thing. But I believe, Israel’s government has to take their responsibility in this also. What kind of tragedy is it going to take, before Olmert says enough is enough, and gets the courage to tell the US, that they will no longer buckle under to their pressure. And if the US is not going to give them, their full, and undivided support, then they need to go home, and mind their own business. And Israel needs to take their misplaced trust, that they have in the US, and place it with God. Because man will fail you, but God never will.
7 Nathan // Feb 23, 2007 at 10:33 pm
Indeed Joyce. Israel should vote Olmert out and get a new Prime Minister. This probelm of Olmert making big mistakes has worsened since the war with Hizbullah, instead of figuring it out he has figured nothing out. I don’t think God will punish the USA or Israel. If anything USA will protect Israel in the in end and the Arabs know that, the Soviets know that, China and Iran know it. If the crazies in Tehran finish their bomb then we will have a end game scenario that will result in the destruction of man kind. Or Israel can get a new Prime Minister and the USA can get a new President and take out puny Iran.
8 Marcel // Feb 23, 2007 at 11:16 pm
I don’t think God will punish the USA or Israel.
A nation which rejects God and arrogantly divides
up His land is a doomed nation ,sooner than later.
You will be unprepared and suffer traaumatic shock ,if you survive.
Can you see higher than your flag ?
You either do not read the bible or do not believe it.
America will not save Israel or itself.
9 Victor Passenheim // Feb 24, 2007 at 12:54 am
Marcel,
“It’s amazing that so many of you still can’t put it together or completly”. Please don’t get so puffed up - off that high horse, please! It only takes the intelligence of a 5 year old to see the flagrant fouls and who’s committing them. I think the majority of people on this board already know that the US has actually been a great impediment to the Jewish state, even before the second incarnation existed. The few times we have helped out are more than offset by the many times we have helped to push Israel back into a cage and handicapped her against her enemies. Yet with all that, the American people have been the closest ally Israel has in the world.
And in the end, you are absolutely right: America will not save Israel or itself. God is not mocked.
That does not take away from the bewildering insanity that can only be described as Israeli self annihilation. And even more bewildering, that the people themselves are practically doing nothing about it.
10 Joyce // Feb 24, 2007 at 1:00 am
Nathan,
I might be wrong, and I pray that I am, but I believe, that the fate of the USA is mentioned in Rev.chap.18, about the fall of Babylon. I realize, that not everyone agrees with me about this, but I believe, that from the description the scriptures in Rev.18 gives about Babylon, that it is describing America. And if I am right about that, then we will be taken out of the picture, and we will not be any help to Israel at the battle of Armageddon.Which they won’t need our help then anyway, because the Lord will be there to save them. Anyway, whether we are Babylon, or not, I believe, that something will happen to us, so that we won’t be at the battle of Armageddon. And that is when Israel will rely on the Lord to protect, and save them, and the Lord will destroy the armies, that come against them.
11 Micael // Feb 24, 2007 at 1:12 am
Well , I am not sure that US is in Rev 18 but I believe it is in Isa 18
12 Charles Wesley // Feb 24, 2007 at 2:06 am
The virtual description given in Rev . 18 could be no other (Great City ) . When they USA goes down the whole world will be holding worthless money . Who will that Super Idiot (Chavez ) sell his oil to then . What little oil that will be bought , forget the growing China as we are their biggest market , will come from the Mideast. When we are gone to whom will the world merchants sell their product to . At least near the same scale as today . Yes they will bemoan our demise .
13 Marcel // Feb 24, 2007 at 3:28 am
Victor,
Yet with all that, the American people have been the closest ally Israel has in the world.
And so what good has all this close ally stuff done for Israel ?
High Horse ? Give me a break, the vast majority of Zionists are comatose and still think the U.S. is a friend of Israel.
How do you reason with clueless idiots who don’t know light from darkness or have come to love and enjoy the gray?
The overwhelming majority of Zionists are afraid to
deal in reality.
The news stories on Zionist forum’s focus on Olmert but MOST here were clueless that Condi had just visited Israel to get Olmert moving with the Bush Palestinian State agenda.
When was the last time you read an article from any Zionist group on how the U.S. continues to trample Israel’s sovereignty?
Are they just blind ,covering up or part of the dis-information and propaganda bureau ?
14 Newel // Feb 24, 2007 at 3:28 am
No offense Charles, but its probably better to read the Bible in the way it was intended (that being let it tell you who Babylon the Great is) instead of making your private interpretations get in the way.
15 Joyce // Feb 24, 2007 at 3:38 am
Micael,
I’m not sure either, but it does seem to me that America fits the description best. Anyway, the way things are going in this world, I don’t think that it will be very much longer, before we know for sure.
16 Charles Wesley // Feb 24, 2007 at 4:27 am
Marcel ,
Lets face it Zionism is the heart felt expression of Christians for the Chosen People of GOD . What our governments do is beyond our control . The will and plan of God is irrevocable and what you or I do or not will not alter the program one bit. If one truly believes the Bible they would know God is not an idle bystander when His will is to be done . Consider that John the Baptist could have just retired and let Jesus take over . John was beheaded , why ? Was it because he completed his God given mission . Yes and people would still be focused on John instead of Jesus . So with America beheaded as such Israel will focus on Jesus . Now you can yell or scream or actually get off you duff and try to do something but God has Israels back not you . This is Gods show only …
17 Marsha Carol Watson // Feb 24, 2007 at 7:19 am
God help us all—not just the nation of Israel, if P. M. Olmert is not removed from office NOW! How much more has got to happen before the people of the Nation of Israel wake up and remove him from office?
The entire world has a stake in the Nation of Israel….”As Israel goes…so goes the world!”
18 Joyce // Feb 24, 2007 at 7:50 am
Newel,
So where does the Bible tell you Babylon is supposed to be? And if you have an answer to that, then what would make your answer any less a private interpretation than mine, or Charles’ was? Because in the Bible that I read it doesn’t give a name, it just gives a description of the place. So since the Bible doesn’t give a name, at least the Bible that I read doesn’t, I don’t know about yours, then wouldn’t everyone’s answer be nothing more than a private interpretation?
19 Marcel // Feb 24, 2007 at 2:21 pm
America is Babylon .
Those who still can see this fact probally never will.
We have always had the blind leading the blind and there are more per capita than there were in Israel when Jeremiah was sent to warn of God’s imminent judgment on His own people.
Charles ,you wrote;
What our governments do is beyond our control .
Those who believe the lie of participatory democracy think they have a voice and so many Christians made it possible for Bush to do what he does against Israel by their vote.
So they are linked to this devil by the hand they used to vote with.
The vessel of this Zionism the carnal decieved Chrsitian is tainted and doubleminded ,serving two masters ,two kingdoms.
Thats why it was so easy for the devil to manipulate the deaf dumb and blind U.S. Christians to get his man into office.
Of course God is in control ,but the unwise virgins who slumbered with low oil in their lamps are dead on arrival.
That is the fatal mistake of the doubleminded fools who assumed wrongly .
20 Marcel // Feb 24, 2007 at 2:35 pm
Proof that America is Babylon.
Who does Israel go to for permission to fly over Iraq ?
Not Iraq’s P.M. or Iraq’s President but Master George’s Pentagon .
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3368931,00.html
21 Newel // Feb 24, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Well you see, Joyce, Marcel and Charles, if you do not let the Bible speak for itself then you will come up with the view you hold because your view did not originate from the Bible but from what someone else has said or from some website. When we let the Bible interpret itself we then do not have a private interpretation but rather we have a revealing. If you use the terms and language discribing the harlot then you can determine who that harlot was as depicted in other parts of the Bible where this same figuritive speech is being used. A good Bible student recognizes this method as typical and can and should be used to help in understanding Scripture. The Bible has shown me, by this method, who Babylon of Revelation is but if you choose to make guesses that do not have application from the rest of the Bible then you will miss it. This, that I say, is offensive to some because they want so much that it be applied to who they say it is and not to who the Bible says it is. So to determine who Babylon is you need to do you homework and understand the usage of these same terms found in Revelation and see how they were applied in the other parts of the Bible. Do this honestly and not in the frame of mind to prove someone wrong, then Holy Spirit will guide you.
22 Marcel // Feb 24, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Here is the Key.
Lean not unto thine own understanding .In all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your path.
It takes humility to not rely on your own self ,your own brain , your own thinking,your own assumed vain, supposed right way.
Most prideful flesh never escape this trap of satan.
Newel,this is where you and are differ ,are polar opposites ,day and night.
You lean on your own understanding and snobby intellectual reasoning.
The wisdom of man brings a snare and you are snared and don’t even know it.
Your intellectual pride does not glorify God but yourself.
You rely on your own flesh reasoning and I know there is nothing good in this flesh ,this mind ,so I long ago learned to trust in the Lord to reveal His truth to me by His Word.
23 Joyce // Feb 24, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Newel,
For your information, the views that I hold do come from my interpretations of the Bible. And if you had read my comment to Nathan, then you would know I said that I didn’t know for sure, and I pray that I was wrong about it. But since you didn’t answer my comment to you, I assume, that you don’t have a view on who Babylon is.
24 Charles Wesley // Feb 24, 2007 at 9:12 pm
Newel if your scared say your scared . All men will die once , America is one of the symbols of Babylon .
America has the blood of martyrs on its hands . But Rome is a little place on seven hills and has no real commerce . There are also 7 continents standing out of the water . Just what if the very world wide monetary exchanges (COMMERCE) was the Whore of Babylon . I’m sure that God See’s the love of money as the root of all evil . So He must not have a deep regard for the money people . Jesus said that very thing . One possibility ; Seven continents (heads ) Ten Horns (Notable Leaders) And the Harlot ( Lust for money that makes world commerce , and the betrayal of all that is good for material gain . All the tools of the Devil . There is no Greater commercial nation than the USA . Rome wouldn’t make a drop in the bucket . No one would hardly notice a dent in the world economy > Newal your probably a Pretrib. man also.
25 Micael // Feb 24, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Newel a pretrib man?
I would guess that he see Israel or rather Jerusalem, 70AD, as Babylon. Lets wait and see what he has to say
26 Newel // Feb 24, 2007 at 9:37 pm
What city today is in a covenant relationship with God? What City today can be charged with with the blood of the prophets, saints and apostles?
If you can answer these two questions concerning a City today I will let you have your way with your interpretation.
27 Newel // Feb 24, 2007 at 10:01 pm
We are told, in Rev. 17:7, that we are getting an explanation of this mystery. Does this help? Also, where was John in the spirit when he received this part of the vision and how does this contrasting vision compare to the one we can read in chapter 12? These are all clues to understanding this mystery.
28 Micael // Feb 24, 2007 at 10:32 pm
Spiritually John was looking from time called “is not”, I would guess that is a between 1798 and today
29 Newel // Feb 24, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Micael, I know that 1798 is the time when the pope was imprisioned during the French revelution, but how does this fit in with Babylon the great? Are you letting Scripture interpret Scripture or letting the news of the day do it?
30 Newel // Feb 25, 2007 at 5:12 am
Joyce, in answer to your post number 18, the bible certainly does name the city that represents Babylon. You said your Bible does not give the name so I would question one of two things, are you reading from the cannonized Bible or have you not read the whole Bible? It is possible you may just have missed it but believe me, it is a city and God has several times told that city who they are.
31 Joyce // Feb 25, 2007 at 6:00 am
Marcel ,
Many of us are getting very frustrated as we hear and view the cascading events that scream of Israel’s capture by the unholy alliance . Israel is the jewel of Christianity and the literal center of the world ,spiritually . We hate the dark Satanic cloud that’s building over Jerusalem . We especially hate our own government facilitating the decline of security of Israel by bullheaded hair-brained etc. on and on ideals . I guess the right men are handling things if God wants to bring about the Really Big Show . Lets face it , the whole world is aware that the end of this dispensation is drawing very near . Those of the world see nothing , they don’t want to see anything . Every time Marcel when I hear about Olmert giving in to the Pals. I grit my teeth . Then I think how it will be to see Jesus if I make it until He returns . These things have got to happen before we see Him . Even the Muslims believe the time is near for the Antichrist . They call him (Dajjal ) .
32 Joyce // Feb 25, 2007 at 7:50 am
Marcel,
Comment #30 is Charles’ not mine he forgot to change our names.
33 Micael // Feb 25, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Newel
What Babylon is can be debated but what does what I wrote has to do with the news of the day. Regarding scriptures interpret scriptures you and I disagree, as you know.
34 Newel // Feb 25, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Micael, the news of the day was the news recorded in that day when the pope was imprisioned and has no Scriptural backing whatsoever. As to not agreeing that Scripture interprets Scripture then I would say that is probably the whole reason you look for some outside source to verify what you think the Bible is saying. Since you do not believe that the Bible interprets itself then you have no other inspired source.
35 Charles Wesley // Feb 25, 2007 at 5:47 pm
Newel,
My God knew that we would be reading His word today because today is when the prophesy is to happen . Israel is not Babylon ,Rome does not fill the
bill except for the martyrdom of the prophets , Babylon is no more in Iraq . God talked about today or the near future or did this already happen and this is Hell ! It could be that America because of the covenant that we as Christians have taken to support Israel has made it to God as our coming to Jesus reached Him . But rather than playing a guessing game , lets hear your thoughts on the matter .
36 Newel // Feb 25, 2007 at 5:51 pm
This tells me alot, Charles. I did not once mention who I believe Babylon is, but you say it could not be Israel. Is it that you read from the Bible who God says it is and you do not agree with Him?
37 Newel // Feb 25, 2007 at 6:03 pm
I would rather, Charles, that you become a good student of the Bible instead of me giving you the answers that I found. You will be much more satisfied with yourself if you find the answers as given in the Word. However, I am more than happy to give you some references to aid you in your search:
Do we have other Scripture evidence that aids us in determining the meaning of the “Harlot” “Babylon”?
Yes.
Rev. 11:8 great city
Rev 17:18 great city
Rev 18:10, 18 great city
Isa. 1:21 How the faithful city has become a harlot!
Ezek. 16:15 …and played the harlot on them.
Hosea 2:2 Let her put away her harlotries from her sight.
By letting the “Bible interpret the Bible” and by using the Old Testament language to help us in identifying the harlot from Revelation - just as we use the Old Testament to identify most of the symbols of Revelation - then the harlot/Babylon would most naturally be understood by its natural usage in other well known verses of the Bible.
38 Micael // Feb 25, 2007 at 8:22 pm
I do not have any other source than scriptures. People that see everything fulfilled 70AD have no problem quoting Josephus as proof of recorded history or 70AD news so what is the big deal about looking at history.
39 Micael // Feb 25, 2007 at 8:54 pm
On the IMB forums we have a Newel that by letting “scriptures interpret scriptures” came up with the idea that Joel 3 was fulfilled during the time of the apostles. Newel are you related?
40 Joyce // Feb 25, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Newel,
Just because, God used the word harlot in the description of Israel from the scriptures you gave, doesn’t mean that Israel is Babylon. Don’t you think with all the sin, and wickedness, happening in America, that God would consider America a harlot also? I’m afraid, that the word harlot would describe a lot of countries these days. But in trying to figure out who Babylon is, you have to consider the rest of the desciption in Rev. 18 about Babylon. And to me, from my interpretation of the scriptures given, sounds to me, like a description of America.
41 Newel // Feb 25, 2007 at 9:24 pm
Micael, written history is an invaluable resource. How does 1798 fit in with biblical prophecy?
I do post at Israel My Beloved. You have been more than welcome to refute whatever it was I wrote concerning Joel 3 but I have yet to read anything from you that teaches from the Bible.
42 Newel // Feb 25, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Joyce, you certainly are entitled to your understanding. Thank you for at least looking up the passages given.
43 Charles Wesley // Feb 25, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Are you back A. Morton? Same style same arrogance.
44 Newel // Feb 25, 2007 at 10:21 pm
If you are addressing this to me, Charles I am an internet friend of mr. morton and he is my brother in Christ. You call him arrogant but I know him as wise and discerning child of God. We actually live just across state lines from one another and I met him this winter while I was in his area repairing high voltage power lines from winter ice storm damage. I have not met a more godly man and humble in nature. What you say about him tells me alot about you and I have never met you.
45 Micael // Feb 25, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Charles this is strange. A few years back an A Morton told me with passion about the relevance of the Papacy and the year 1798. Now you believe that Newel, saying that 1798 has nothing to do with scriptures, could also be A Morton
I cant believe it to be true. I would go home crying if it would be true
46 Joyce // Feb 25, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Newel,
About your comment # 30 to me , of how the Bible does name the city, that represents Babylon. And also, about the type of Bible that I read, or that I haven’t read the whole Bible. In response to these things, as I have said before, the scriptures that you are referring to about God calling Israel a harlot, does not necessarily mean, that he was referring to the harlot, that he is talking about in Rev. 18. And the Bible I read is the KJV, and also, I have read the whole Bible several times.
47 Charles Wesley // Feb 25, 2007 at 11:28 pm
Seems I struck a nerve . Yes Allyn and I talked for quite some time . He is a die-hard Pretrist and feels that the Jews are cast away and the Temple of God will not be rebuilt ,the Antichrist has already ran his course Israel has no right to exist ect…………and Newel exhibits the same mannerisms .
48 Newel // Feb 25, 2007 at 11:54 pm
Joyce, I refer you to my post # 42.
Charles, as I pointed out to you I am a brother in Christ to mr. morton. I can say with absolute truth that you are wrong in your determination of him. Instead of what you say he is a person who believes in a realized millennial view. He knows and believes that the true Israel of the New Testament in all people who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. He also believes that Israel today has as much right to exist as any nation on earth does. Your lies about my friend and brother do you more harm than they do him. What I see about you is a person who is narrow and cheap and does not have the Spirit of God in him. I protect my brother because I know him and have met him face to face. I do not know you in the same way but your words condemn you. If you were a true follower of Christ you would not speak ill of a brother. What I see from this blog is nothing short of people without faith. The only nerve you have struck is the nerve that dispises the lack of brotherly love.
49 Micael // Feb 25, 2007 at 11:56 pm
Charles, I know that Mr Morton has changed his view of eschatology and also has the same writing style as Newel
50 Charles Wesley // Feb 26, 2007 at 1:59 pm
Newel,
Check out the archives on (Why the Syrian peace overture is not genuine) and see for yourself what I’m referring to concerning Alan Morton.
51 Victor Passenheim // Feb 28, 2007 at 3:13 am
This has yet again become another pissing contest. And you guys know what I mean!
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