It always astonishes me how the international community simply refuses to take the Arabs at their word. Talk about racism!
For example, the Bush administration continues to insist that the “Palestinian” general public wants peace with Israel based on the “two-state vision.”
The “Palestinians” themselves are doing their best to refute that claim, but no one is listening!
You see, the “peace” they support - all 70% of them (the overwhelming majority of the general public) - is one based on a single state where Arabs (including the millions of so-called “refugees”) vastly outnumber Jews.
Seventy-five percent of “Palestinians” said that Israel, the Jewish state, simply has no right to exist.
Coupled with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s earlier revelation that the new “Palestinian” unity government is not going to meet even that most basic peace obligation of recognizing Israel, this should be enough to end the present “peace” process.
And it should put to rest the stupid claims that Hamas, which was overwhelmingly voted into office, does not represent the true desires of the Palestinian Arabs when it comes to relations with Israel.
As it turns out, Hamas is totally in tune with the “Palestinian” street.
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31 comments so far ↓
1 khalid issa // Feb 19, 2007 at 1:28 pm
The apartheid of Israel ruling party in the US
If the Muslim world gains democracy, it will unite in one country. In 2075, Muslims will be one third of the world population whereas the Christians will be 27%. According to a new theory, when all people gain democracy after a long period of time, the world will be advanced, and the more population the country has, the more it will be strong. The Muslims are expected to be the largest population; therefore they will be the world number one super power forever.
If Israel didn’t agree to give the Palestinians all their rights represented in UN resolutions 194, 242 and 338, a war may happen and the apartheid of Israel regime will be defeated with all the Christian countries that will support it. The Muslim world has no ambitions to invade any country unless the Muslims are the majority in a country and that majority wants to join the Muslim world which is, democratically their right such as, Muslims in Kashmir, India, Russia, china and some countries in Africa.
The Muslim world future general policy supports democracy and freedom in the world, and doesn’t invade democracies; on the contrary they defend the freedom of other countries as long as these countries don’t support Israel.
2 Newel // Feb 19, 2007 at 4:03 pm
I will say up front that I do not endorse violence from either side of this issue, but I can likewise say that I do understand this frustration which has mainifested itself in what we see today. I pray for the Christians in that part of the world and pray that they do not rely on men but on their hope in Christ. God is concerned with His people in all parts of the world and those people are only the believers on His Son. As a Christian, stay focused on Him and one day soon we will see His glory when His Son comes in Judgement.
3 Lisa // Feb 19, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Islam is the opposite of democracy and civilized. The only apartheid that exists in the world is in Arab Muslims countries that treat women like dirt and oppress non-Muslims. Islam is an evil group that wants to kill us all. That is why more and more Muslims are converting to other religions. God is on our side and will help us.
4 Lisa // Feb 19, 2007 at 6:14 pm
God is on the side of Israel and America always!
5 Micael // Feb 19, 2007 at 10:26 pm
Newel I am curious, did you support America going after Osama and the Taliban
6 Joyce // Feb 20, 2007 at 2:20 am
khalid issa,
You seem to be mixed-up about Israel being an apartheid regime, and the Muslims supporting democracy and freedom. And also you seem to have forgotten about God in your delusional comment. Unfortunately for you, and your Muslim friends, God has other plans, and it doesn’t include the Muslims, or anyone else, being victorious over Israel. In the battle of Armageddon, God will send fire down from heaven to destroy all those who come against Israel. So you see, no matter what victories the Muslims may claim, in the end God’s ultimate plan will be victorious over them “forever”!!!
7 Charles Wesley // Feb 20, 2007 at 2:50 am
Khalid issa ,
You are right , the Muslims are reproducing like rabbits . The problem there is the world will be overpopulated with radical nuts then . You people started the 67 war and got your butts handed to you . What do you think this is a game ? When you lose you lose land . To the victor goes the spoils . If you
idiots could co-exist with the Jews , they would have dragged you out of the stone ages into the world today . The Palestinian people are to blame for their own shortcomings . They let the radicals like Arafat destroy any chances that they had , and now Hammas . But you can’t help your feelings or the scriptural outcome for those that come against Israel . So party on dude and look out for those bright lights coming to a city near you .
8 Where'sMyAmerica&WhoAreThesePeople? // Feb 20, 2007 at 8:42 am
It’s such a shame people who call themselves ‘christians’ don’t know that the Bible states the covenant with both Judah and Israel was broken. Actually, most don’t even know that Judah and Israel are different in the Bible. Well, honestly, most don’t have any clue that the tribes of Dan and Ephraim are not mentioned in the twelve tribes listed in Revelation. Well…really….most have no conception of what Galatians 3 is talking about when Paul says that the covenant and promises were made with Abraham and his seed (meaning one person, Paul says..Jesus), not ‘and ’seeds’, as of many’.
Most people who call themselves Christians have a Bible knowledge consisting of what people like John Hagee tell them Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and Revelation mean, whilst pointing at some poorly drawn charts and graphs that never exist in the Bible.
And, because of it, they actually believe in something called Judeo-Christianity when Judaism and Christianity are 180 and when Jews reject the very son of God these ‘judeo-christians’ say is God Himself and worship.
Instead, they prefer to bash Islam because they believe Jews are ‘God’s chosen’. Read I Peter 2 and see who Peter says are the ‘chosen, the people of God, a royal priesthood’, and who he says stumbled over the Rock.
A very strange and sad codependency involving one set of religious people who put stock in the Talmudic Law which God never gave and another set who don’t even know their own Scriptures but prefer to let larger-than-life TV preachers of megachurches do their thinking for them.
So sad.
9 Where'sMyAmerica&WhoAreThesePeople? // Feb 20, 2007 at 8:45 am
As for wanting peace, I daresay kidnapping two soldiers (not to mention Israel holding hundreds of Palestinian prisoner in dire conditions) certainly did not justify the Israeli bloody slaughter of over 1000 innocent Lebanese civilians (condemned by most of the world, naturally and rightly) and the strewing of cluster bombs about Lebanon like so much confetti, waiting to go off and blow the head or arm off some small Lebanese child at any time of the day or night. Heck, even their Big Protector, the U.S., got on them for that one.
Shame, shame, shame!!!
10 Ryan // Feb 20, 2007 at 8:55 am
Where’sMy: I don’t have the time or energy to AGAIN refute the assertions you put forward. I am sure some of the other commenters will take that task upon themselves, however.
Suffice it to say, in my view, your interpretation of scripture is WAY off.
Likewise, you are in the wrong place if you think your views on what the Bible says are going to sway us from being radical supporters of Israel and God’s plan for this nation.
11 Where'sMyAmerica&WhoAreThesePeople? // Feb 20, 2007 at 9:22 am
I could care less about your interpretation of Scripture. If you don’t even understand the basics of the New Covenant obsoleting the Old, I’d be wasting my time speaking with you on any kind of personal level here.
My view of the Bible is it means what it says.
What’s yours?
Let’s start with Jesus’ very simple COMMAND, not suggestion:
Love your enemies.
Do good to those who hate you.
Bless those you curse you.
Riddle me an interpretation on that, Ryan.
12 Ryan // Feb 20, 2007 at 9:42 am
Where’sMy: I have deleted your most recent comments on this and other articles because I am not going to allow you to hijack this website.
If you want to have calm, rational debate and discussion in a controlled manner with me and others here, then you are welcome.
But if you continue to flood the board with hateful and personally insulting comments, then I will be forced to ban you from commenting any further.
I have left your comment above for the simple reason that the first part of it hits the nail on the head.
We, likewise, could care less about YOUR interpretation of scripture.
If you believe that the New Covenant HA S obsoleted the “Old”, then we really have nothing further to discuss. So why are you even here?
13 Where'sMyAmerica&WhoAreThesePeople? // Feb 20, 2007 at 9:50 am
Being scared of the truth Ryan, doesn’t change it.
Jews are religious. Israelites are genetic.
You need to get that much straight. Jews can be semitic but aren’t necessarily.
These things are basic to your reason for being and if you get this wrong, it’s God you’ll answer to, not anyone else.
14 Where'sMyAmerica&WhoAreThesePeople? // Feb 20, 2007 at 9:54 am
By the way, Ryan, ‘nations’ don’t get saved…people do. Salvation is individual, not national. “and SO (by faith in Christ..see the entire context and preceding verses of Paul’s hope that some would be saved, a remnant) all Israel will be saved.”
The scriptures are simple when you read them without zionist glasses on.
15 Ryan // Feb 20, 2007 at 9:57 am
Where’sMy: I will leave these last two comments of yours to give others a chance to read and respond.
I would leave you with the same admonition: “it’s God you’ll answer to, not anyone else.”
Best of luck in your quest to seek His truth.
16 Newel // Feb 20, 2007 at 3:42 pm
Micael, are you asking my opinion or are you trying to justify something?
17 Micael // Feb 20, 2007 at 7:29 pm
Newel what do I have to justify? There are quite a few Christians that are against violence in any form, they would refuse to take up arm under any circumstance. That view is hard to argue against, in fact I personally believe they have a point.
Others will easily point to the error of Israel taking up arms because so many innocent are killed, yes many are. At the same time they do not have a problem with America crossing the globe, slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people., I was just wandering if you fitted in one of those two groups.
18 Newel // Feb 20, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Micael, you were the one asking the question with alterior motives so you tell me, do you justify a Jew killing a follower of Christ, or do you justify a muslim killing a follower of Christ? In your heart what is the difference between standing in a mosque where all that is good is denounced as bad or standing in a synagogue where the name of Christ Jesus, Son of God is cursed and slandered and spit upon?
You have no reason to even think once or twice that I fit into one of your two narrow groups. I am saved in Christ and I want to walk His walk, not your walk nor the walk of anyone in any group you may invent. I want only to be a follower of Christ as He defines it not as you define it.
19 Micael // Feb 20, 2007 at 10:32 pm
Yes I tell the truth when asked, you asked about my motives and I told you up front what my motive was, obviously this was a sensitive topic.
I did not say you belonged to my groups, I was just asking.
Is it that since Bush accept Christ in the church, he is right to go around the world waging war?
Newell, I do not ask that to you any longer but I find it interesting. Jews deny Christ so they can not wage war but for a Christian it is ok, well at least according to people belonging to “my” second group.
Yes both Muslims and Jews deny Christ, surely that is important but you make it sound as there is no difference between the messages in the mosque and the synagogue.
20 Randy Henderson // Feb 21, 2007 at 12:45 am
I wonder reading many of these comments how many have met Palestinians and seen evidence of the way they live. There is as much diversity among Palestinians as there is among Americans. You CANNOT say that “Palestinians are this….” or “Palestinians do that…” I also wonder how many of you understand that there are 150,000 Christian Palestinians, some of which, beleive that an armed intifada is a doomed intifada. Likewise Israelis are not all Jewish, many are Israelis who do not practice, much like people everywhere in the world. Many of them state that the occupation does not make them more secure, but that the occupation puts them at greater risk.
This talk of Muslims “reproducing like rabbits” makes me utterly sick. That’s exactly the language used by sick twisted propoganda spreading freaks under Nazi Germany about Jews. It’s also the language used in the US about hispanics…as if we’re counting insects or something. These are people…many of them hard working, wanting the same things for their kids as we want for ours.
The problems exist, and some of it is religiously based in misunderstandings…but much of the problem in Israel-Palestine are the crimes committed by Hamas and the Israeli government, both of which who have convinced “their” people that they’re looking out for their best interest, when it is clear that they only perpetuate violence and armed struggle. Hamas was elected legitimately. And we (US and EU) won’t even sit down with them. What weakness on our part, what a missed opportunity. Both the Israeli and Palestinian governments must EQUALLY recongize the right for each state to exist.
21 Charles Wesley // Feb 21, 2007 at 1:01 am
First of all every man will die sooner or later , so how or when is really not the real priority but, is that person saved by the grace of Jesus Christ. Jesus was a Jew and still is and will return to Jerusalem to where the Jews will be gathered . There they will build the Temple where the False Prophet will sit and show himself as God . (2nd Thess chapter. 2 ) Are the Jews cast away ? Did God break his covenant with the Jews ? If you will read Romans 11:29 Gods gifts and callings are without repentance . That is a good thing ,lest He repent of your calling . If you hold the Jews responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus then you may be held responsible for your deeds also . With such a dislike for Jews how do you feel about Jesus being a Jew also ?
Where’s My is guilty of some very selective reading and interpretation of the Bible so it seems .
I believe that the killing has not started as of yet . When Iran makes it’s move or we move to stop their aggressive move to acquire Nuclear weapons a whole lot of people will die . If the Iranians move toward peace then we will not have a war . As far as peace , God set up this ending not us .
22 Charles Wesley // Feb 21, 2007 at 1:18 am
Randy ,
The Muslim population is the fastest growing people in the world . They and their religion has overwhelmed Europe and the Pacific and is growing faster than Christianity in America . Check out the diversity of faiths around the world and compare the faith based atrocities happening today . As far as the Hispanic people ,they are hard working people . I just wish they paid their part of the taxes . They don’t make excuses , they work hard and succeed . If you ever studied the Bible you would see why this perpetual conflict is going on .
23 Marcel // Feb 21, 2007 at 2:22 am
Ryan ,
I is a great waste of time trying to reason with one who won’t even leave his name and twists the truth.
Randy ,
I got my first chance to meet Palestinian’s in 1977,walking into Gaza to see what was going on with my own eyes.
The truth is that the Plaestinian’s take no responsibility for their actions ,always blaming the Jews for everything.
A good example are the farm hot houses in Gush Katif left to the Palestinians .A million dollar business trashed by this cult of death.
They teach their children to hate from birth and you attempt to sell them as rational and normal people.
I saw the handiwork of tha Palestinians after they blew up a bus full of innocent men women and children.
The Palestinians deserve nothing but defeat and the grave as the reward for their violence and hate against the Jews .
God has already spoken His judgment on the Palestinians and their supporters.
I will post it below for you to read .
You have made a fatal error and choice Randy.
Those like you and President Bush and the west who work so hard to reward evil ,evil will follow all of you to the grave.
24 Marcel // Feb 21, 2007 at 2:30 am
5 “Because you have had an ancient hatred, and have shed the blood of the children of Israel by the power of the sword at the time of their calamity, when their iniquity came to an end, 6 therefore, as I live,” says the Lord God, “I will prepare you for blood, and blood shall pursue you; since you have not hated blood, therefore blood shall pursue you. 7 Thus I will make Mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it the one who leaves and the one who returns. 8 And I will fill its mountains with the slain; on your hills and in your valleys and in all your ravines those who are slain by the sword shall fall. 9 I will make you perpetually desolate, and your cities shall be uninhabited; then you shall know that I am the Lord.
10 “Because you have said, ‘These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess them,’ although the Lord was there, 11 therefore, as I live,” says the Lord God, “I will do according to your anger and according to the envy which you showed in your hatred against them; and I will make Myself known among them when I judge you. 12 Then you shall know that I am the Lord. I have heard all your blasphemies which you have spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, ‘They are desolate; they are given to us to consume.’ 13 Thus with your mouth you have boasted against Me and multiplied your words against Me; I have heard them.”
14 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “The whole earth will rejoice when I make you desolate. 15 As you rejoiced because the inheritance of the house of Israel was desolate, so I will do to you; you shall be desolate, O Mount Seir, as well as all of Edom–all of it! Then they shall know that I am the Lord.”‘
Ezekiel 35
How sad that the Arab’s have forgotten how they were soundly defeated by Israel in every war they initiated to remove the Jews from their land.
God has set the stage for their final reminder of utter defeat. He will do it this time ,not the IDF.
THE WHOLE EARTH WILL REJOICE WHEN I MAKE YOU DESOLATE.
Israel’s God will Himself bring down the lie Islam. Because He loves the moslems He will set them free from this lie.
When he utterly defeats the armies of Islam which come against Israel their final time,then the surviving moslems will burn their Korans and turn to the Only true Living God ,the Holy One of Israel.
Only then will we have true peace and Arab and Jews will live in peace together with no more lie of Islam.
25 Charles Wesley // Feb 21, 2007 at 2:39 am
So much for that one .
26 Newel // Feb 21, 2007 at 4:06 am
Randy, I could not agree with you more.
27 Joyce // Feb 21, 2007 at 8:05 am
It appears that Where’sMy, is not only selective in reading the Bible and twisting it’s meaning, but also in recounting the events of what started the war between Israel and Hezbollah. It was not only the kidnapping of the Israeli soldiers, Hezbollah was also firing rockets at Israel. So I believe, that gave Israel the right to defend themselves. And also about all the Lebanese civilians that were killed, Where’sMy, seems to have conveniently forgotten, how Hezbollah put themselves right in the middle of the Lebanese civilian neighborhoods firing their rockets at Israel. So the fault of their deaths lies squarely on the shoulders of Hezbollah.
Shame, shame, shame!!!
28 Joyce // Feb 21, 2007 at 9:58 am
Randy,
I find it hard to see any comparison, between the Palestinians and Americans. For one thing, I don’t know of Americans teaching their young children to hate other people. And for another thing, I don’t see them on tv in mass numbers shouting death to Israel and other countries. Also unfortunately, I know that we do have some people that have mental problems, and have gone on shooting rampages killing other people. But for the most part we don’t have people strapping on bombs, and blowing up themselves, and others. And praise God for those 150,000 Palestinian Christians, hopefully their numbers will continue to grow. Also if you read the Bible, you will understand the reason of the conflict between Israel, and the Palestinians. And I don’t believe, that it is a sign of weakness to not negotiate, with those who support terrorism. I believe, to do so would be weakness on our part.
29 Anne Kraemer // Mar 9, 2007 at 9:10 am
I happen to think that ‘Where’s my’ is a psuedonym for Newel or it is His roommate.
An added way to take out His venom.
Newel wrote disgust and condemnation both over this site and IMB and Stan’s too. Said he would never come back. But he did, Are you Where’s my? Is that you Newel?
If I’m wrong, I’ll eat my pizza.
30 khalid issa // Apr 10, 2007 at 9:32 am
hi again: i would like to correct an error about the muslims percentage from the world in 2075, it want be one third, it will reach 38.5%. then this percentage will drop and on the other side the percenatge of christains will increase more than 27% because the african christians percentage will continue to increase until 2300 because they are less developed than the middle east
31 khalid issa // Apr 10, 2007 at 10:12 am
hi again: i would like to correct an error about the muslims percentage from the world in 2075, it want be one third, it will reach 38.5%. then this percentage will drop and on the other side the percenatge of christains will increase more than 27% because the african christians percentage will continue to increase until 2300 because they are less developed than the middle east so the christian population will be 38.7% from the world in 2300.
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