So, the media is all abuzz over Olmert’s meeting yesterday with Abbas, and the silly notion that the coming together of the impotent “Palestinian” leader and admittedly fatigued Israeli premier is somehow going to lead to a final peace settlement.
To me, the only thing that development is proof of is that after years of “Palestinian” violence and the overwhelming election of a most blood-thirsty terrorist organization by Israel’s “peace partners,” we are nevertheless back to the same old routine of Israel making concessions and receiving nothing in return.
Where, pray tell, was the benefit in Saturday’s meeting for Israel? Did Israel receive anything? Israel paid $100 million to a government that is still effectively ruled by terrorists. Did it receive an end to rocket fire on southern Israel? No. Did it get its abducted soldier back? No.
All Israel will receive for that $100 million is more violence from a “Palestinian” entity that is now even more confident that no matter what it does to Israel, the parade of Jewish concessions will not end indefinitely.
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115 comments so far ↓
1 Victor Passenheim // Dec 24, 2006 at 2:23 pm
Reminds me of one of the lines from the “Grease” ditty (Hand Jive) “How low can you go?”
Only in Israel’s case there is certainly no entertainment value in finding out how “low they can go”.
I just can’t wait for the day when Jews rise up and send these corrupt leaders packing with a very clear signal that this behavior will never again be tolerated.
2 Marcel // Dec 24, 2006 at 3:19 pm
The faithless of Israel will do anything and everything for a phony peace.
They sacrifice themselves for something which is false rather than seek the Holy One of Israel.
Eventually this spiritual sickness ,this insanity will come to it’s end when reality blows up much of the peace without Hashem camp.
In almost the same way as God opened up the earth and swallowed up Dathan and Abiram and their families alive so too will this evil bunch of Jewish rebels be swallowed up into hell and the Lord will avenge His enemies who assume to snuff out His Israel.
3 Charles Wesley // Dec 24, 2006 at 4:15 pm
Can’t Israel call for a vote of confidence on Olmert ? He seems to be surrendering Israel to the enemy . He doesn’t have the heart for the struggle . When Syria faces Israel with war soon what will he do ? If he gives the Palestinians money why should the rest of the world withhold funds. Hamas will get it and use the money to hazard Israel . Israel needs a new leader with backbone .
4 yuki // Dec 25, 2006 at 9:50 am
Many people in the world don’t know that Iseal is fighting against terrorism. If this simple factor reaches out further and call for ordenary people’s awareness in this world village, the air will change. There must be many wise and creative people who can help…if they are called for their duty.
5 Nathan // Dec 25, 2006 at 10:22 pm
Again Olmert shows the people of Israel that he is to foolish to lead. How much money has to be returned and how many Israelis must die at the prospects of land for peace, or rather land for death. Olmert is fooling himself into thinking that he can be the one leader who establishes peace with the likes of the worthless pals. I would never have given those pals a damn dime.
6 Charles Wesley // Dec 25, 2006 at 10:52 pm
What is Olmert thinking ? He is giving back blood bought land that serves as a buffer zone . He needs to be removed from power . Is he loyal to the state of Israel ? Is he listening to that moron again?
7 Victor Passenheim // Dec 26, 2006 at 6:20 am
Merry Christmas everyone. Better late than never.
While I know that many of Christmas traditions don’t exactly have Biblical origins, it is nevertheless a reminder for all, hopefully, of the true gift Giver.
8 Joyce // Dec 26, 2006 at 8:17 am
Amen Victor, and I hope that everyone had a Merry Christmas.
9 Joyce // Dec 26, 2006 at 10:04 pm
Olmert should realize that making concessions to the Palestinians is a no win situation. And so should America and we should not be pressuring Israel to make concessions to them. The Palestinians take and take and give nothing in return except more rocket fire. And it should be obvious to Olmert and America that these concessions do not satisfy the Palestinians. Nothing will satisfy them until they completely annihilate the Jews. And America really needs to reconsider any part that we may have in pressuring Israel into these concessions. Because I believe God will punish us for having any responsibility in this matter.
10 Marsha Carol Watson // Dec 27, 2006 at 6:38 am
The fact that Olmert was ever elected in the first place tells the world just what deception is hanging like a cloud over Israel. I know that those of us around the world who love the Nation of Israel and its people must go to prayer day and night, to intercede for the entire nation. These people who are God’s Chosen Ones much have their eyes bathed with eye salve (as the Bible says.)
Who of us have not been deceived at times in our lives….It is satan’s most effective trick….So we must pray as we have never done before….We are limited in many areas….but never in prayer….
God bless us all and I pray that Ryan, Stan and families, along with all of us will have a Blessed New Year. Holy Spirit, reveal yourself to each of us in a way that will strengthen us as Prayer Warriors on behalf of Israel and the countries that each of us lives in…..The entire world stands NOW at a Cross Roads….If we don’t prevail in prayer now….we will suffer the consequences of not humbling ourselves before Almighty God on behalf of our nations, and the nations of the world…..Everywhere there is such despondency…such hopelessness seems to be seen on the faces of so many……Jesus is their only hope. Help us Father God to be your witnesses for the Cause of Christ. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ I pray. amen and amen
11 Victor Passenheim // Dec 30, 2006 at 7:56 pm
Ryan,
I just noticed on the website home page the title says “A very biased examination of the Israeli-Arab conflict”.
I think that should read “A factual, fair examination of the Israeli-Arab conflict”. After all, you back up all your arguments in a very reasoned discourse supported by the facts.
This is something the average Joe should be made aware of.
12 Charles Wesley // Dec 31, 2006 at 2:40 am
What is happening between Bush ,Baker and Israel ?
Why is Bush withholding military supplies to Olmert ? Christians here will not like his actions .
I am concerned that Israel will be forced to use it’s last resort response on Syria as they become bolder . The city of Damascus will be in utter ruin ———–
I believe that this may be in the near future a fact instead of prophesy . God be with us .
13 Nerah // Dec 31, 2006 at 4:29 am
I Agree Victor, well said, However the average joe does not want to know and is blind to reality! Things must be nice, neat and clean. Charles, Christians here aren’t even aware, although an article was included today in my bulletin, G-d Bless the Rabbi’s and Pastor’s who are standing and telling the truth and not worrying about hurting people’s feelings!!!
14 Victor Passenheim // Dec 31, 2006 at 6:48 am
Agreed, Nerah. I think what I meant to say is that this is something the average Joe should be told so as to place the onus of responsibility square on their shoulders.
15 Ryan // Jan 1, 2007 at 3:11 am
Hi Victor,
The reason I put “A very biased examination…” is because, as the verse following that line states, it is “for Zion’s sake” that I “will not remain silent” and conduct this blog in the first place.
Now, I fully believe, as you do, that the arguments contained here are based on facts.
As for “fairness” - I will never play the politically correct game of “fairness” by giving equal space and consideration to the lies of the enemy.
I am in fact biased in favor of God’s Word and His truth.
That the facts I am presenting so happen to line up with that biblical truth just solidifies my assertion that it is the truth.
16 Victor Passenheim // Jan 1, 2007 at 7:59 am
Ryan,
I totally hear you. I’ve just always understood truth a not having a bias.
God makes perfect plans and choices. Sinful men naturally oppose Him and therefore lie against the truth, just like the father of lies.
We certainly cannot understand truth, except by favoring God’s Word and His truth, and that’s why I love this blog - it’s grounded.
17 Nerah // Jan 1, 2007 at 9:28 pm
It is sad that now the truth is seen as a lie and, vis a vis,
Thank you Ryan for your ministry of truth!
“Behold, I lay in Zion
A cheif cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
Therefore, to you who beleive, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,
“The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone,”
and
“A stone of stumbling And a rock of offense.”
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed. But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 1Peter2:..6-9
18 Charles Wesley // Jan 2, 2007 at 12:54 am
Ryan ,do you know of a movement or lobby to put pressure on Bush to support Israel ? Is there any organization that can put pressure on our congressmen to act for Israel ? Yes ,it is unthinkable that Bush would commit the cardinal sin . Literally speaking , Christians would offhand dismiss such talk as politically motivated slander .
19 Ryan // Jan 2, 2007 at 5:44 am
There are such organizations as AIPAC, CIPAC and John Hagee’s new Christians United for Israel that lobby Congress.
The thing is that Congress is not our problem. Congress is already pretty much on Israel’s side. The problem is the White House, and even moreso the State Department.
Maybe we need to be lobbying our representatives to do some major house cleaning at State.
20 Joyce // Jan 2, 2007 at 8:29 am
I agree Nerah, it is very sad how things in this world have gotten all twisted, and perverted. I for one, am getting tired of having things, that I know is wrong, being pushed on me to accept. And it doesn’t matter how many people try to make it right, if God says something is wrong, then it’s wrong, and that’s all there is to it. So Christians need to realize the importance of taking a stand for God’s Word, against the wickedness of this world.
21 Charles Wesley // Jan 3, 2007 at 5:22 am
Gloom and doom is all you read about now . War with China , the USA going bankrupt , Bush and his buddies have turned the whole world against America , global warming , oil as a weapon ,mad cow , aids , the homosexual jihad , the Florida insurance lobby throwing the state into the toilet , Americas new Gestapo , the well orchestrated lies and cover-ups . And finally Bush is cutting ties with Israel . WE help Russia and now they are cutting our throat . What other news is just over the horizon to encourage us . The stage is primed and ready for the great deceiver to come . And old Pres . Armadillo
says at the spring solstice his messiah and Jesus will return after a great world calamity occurs . Ain’t it great ? And things are not rosy for Israel either . Still the virtual fulfillment of the word is evident . The only thing good I know about is Jesus is on his way soon . God be with us .
22 DD // Jan 8, 2007 at 11:48 pm
Dovid Weiss is needed now as a voice of moderation and reason for the Jewish people.
I dont know whether or not Zionism is right or wrong..but here is a Jew, whose parents were killed by the Nazi’s coming out and saying that Zionism is the reason for the continued bloodshed.
That Zionism is not congruent with the tORAH, ANY THOUGHTS?
23 Victor Passenheim // Jan 9, 2007 at 6:15 am
DD,
Clearly you’ve never read the Torah. So read it, and then quote to me where it teaches against the return of the Jewish people to the land God promised them.
People, whenever there’s a post like DD’s I really can’t believe that it’s anything other than baiting.
24 DD // Jan 9, 2007 at 5:41 pm
The word you use baiting, is defensive-how about eliciting? Interpretations vary-as yours demonstrates and as applies to the Torah..
Seeking edification.
25 Nerah // Jan 9, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Ryan, Where have the new blog’s been of late?
D.D., We have so many voices of moderation it is pitiful, look around,everyone is lukewarm!
“These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.”…. Revelation3:14-16
I personally don’t want to be vomitted out of God’s mouth, you choose…..
I choose Hot, I’ll be radical for God, for Yeshua, and for His chosen people, You can be lukewarm,(moderate) or cold, there are consequences with that too.
Was that edifying?I hope so!
26 Charles Wesley // Jan 10, 2007 at 2:54 am
DD ,
I was unaware that the word of God ended with the first 5 books of the Bible . As for the continued blood shed , hatred of the Jew is the reason by Muslims . By the way that is in the Torah . God said there was to be enmity between the seed of Isaac and Ishmael . This is explained in the KJV Bible . A must read life manual . Every knee shall bend before the LORD .
27 Nathan // Jan 10, 2007 at 4:52 am
God will punish the Arabs one day for their misdeeds against mankind. These people have contributed nothing to the cause of man over the last 100 years, only violence and hatred. Evil little Nazis is all they are and you don’t need a Bible to tell you that.
28 Sylvestre // Jan 10, 2007 at 7:04 pm
“”Such Neo-Conservative ramblings belong only with those who fill their lives with hate, judgment and self-supremacy-qualities”.
An excellent desciption of Evangelicals. They are either brainwashed, don`t understand the simple message of Love and forgiveness conveyed by Jesus, or they have special interests in belonging to such extreme right group. I see no differnce between their fanatism and that of AlQaeda. Even worst, they can be so fanatic religiously as Nazi Germans were Nationally
29 Sylvestre // Jan 10, 2007 at 7:08 pm
God will punish the sicko “chrisian” zionist DELUDED for their misdeeds against mankind. You “christian” DELUDED have only created violence and hatred. Your worse than the evil little Nazis!!
30 Sylvestre // Jan 10, 2007 at 7:10 pm
Well gee, the zionist take off the hot and cold posts when they don’t serve their cause. What are you afraid of Ryan, boy??
31 Charles Wesley // Jan 11, 2007 at 12:15 am
Sylvestre ,
If you will read the Bible you might see that the Jews are supposed to be in Jerusalem to build the Temple .
A lot of people are only concerned with the Torah , and not even the old testament where the conflict of the current day Jews and Arabs is dealt with by the Lord . Ezekiel and Zacharias tell of this bloodshed to come in the future . How can we be held responsible for the decree of God . If you are a Christian hating Jew you will be screaming for our help when that conflict begins . If you are a Muslim you have a horrendous butt kicking coming . If all you believe in is payday ,beer and cigarettes you are worse than a raghead radical .
32 Victor Passenheim // Jan 11, 2007 at 1:37 am
DD,
My offer still stands, only now you can extend it to the Tanach and the New Testament, if you wish:
“quote to me where it teaches against the return of the Jewish people to the land God promised them.”
If you seek edification, no better place to go than to read the Scriptures. Historically, the God of the Jews has been the voice of reason and moderation. If you look at the significant contributions to civilization, they come from the Judeo-Christian ethic.
The reason there is bloodshed in the Middle East is just as Charles explained: enmity between the seed of Isaac and Ishmael.
That zionism is fully in keep with Scripture is something that you can rather easily establish from a relatively casual Internet search.
Sylvestre,
I only hear a lot of anger and hatred coming forth from you. Whatever happened to “the simple message of Love and forgiveness conveyed by Jesus”. BTW, that is a lopsided understanding of Jesus’ message. Considering that Christians love God’s people, the Jews, with a special bond of love that we have from our Father, it is interesting that you would compare us to being even worse than “evil little Nazis”. You know, you only hurt yourself by lashing out. That’s why it’s important to consider the first and central message of Jesus: Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
33 Nerah // Jan 11, 2007 at 4:45 am
Did you guys just hear Bush’s Address?
He forgot Israel? Hello! Hello! Christian President have you completely lost your mind? oh dah, yes! Politically correct bull#^%!! I hope He gets convicted! Atleast he said he was going to do something about Iran etc., we shall see… Blaah blaah blaah, I think at this point the only troops in Iraq should be looking for the heads of terror groups and weapons of mass destruction which were long since moved out of Iraq. let the Muslims kill eachother send the other troops to help Israel right Now!
34 James Reesor // Jan 11, 2007 at 3:16 pm
“…MADRID (AP)–A conference that aims to revive optimism into stalled Mideast peace talks opened Thursday with messages of support from former U.S. President Bill Clinton and other leaders involved in past efforts to resolve the Israeli- Palestinian conflict…. supporters say they laid the groundwork the Oslo peace process, which in turn resulted in the establishment of the PalestinianAuthority…. Messages from Clinton, former Soviet Union leader Mikhail Gorbachev and ex- U.S. Secretary of State James Baker III, were read out at the start of the session…. Clinton’s message stressed the importance of the 1991 talks, and said the new meeting showed there was still hope for the future…. Clinton wrote. “By being here together, despite your differences, you send a strong message that peace still can and must be achieved.”… These talks are being sponsored by private peace foundations, rather than by the Spanish government, and none of the major players in the region have sent senior representatives…. Attending the opening session were the foreign ministers from Denmark, Norway and Sweden and an array of former political leaders, experts and academics from the U.N., the U.S., Russia and the Middle East…. The Spanish government, while not organizing the event, sees it as part of its efforts to restart what it sees as a seriously ailing peace process…. Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos, a former European Union envoy to the Middle East, and Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero have been vocal in recent months in their calls to advance peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians. But the country’s overtures so far have had little impact, with both the Israelis and Palestinians lukewarm on the proposals….”
COMMENT: Christians scholars who properly interpret Bible prophecy should understand that this is a prelude to a false peace that will usher in the Antichrist. As “Elijah” indicated many years ago, Satan incarnate has been dwelling in Spain for many years.
DO A WEB SEARCH TO FIND JIGROP
35 sumaroo // Jan 11, 2007 at 4:27 pm
NIcE Joke ………….. I found all the jole on this site are very nice. I can read that many useless people are writting these big line and getting nothing. LOL
36 sumaroo // Jan 11, 2007 at 4:30 pm
I think this site is published by christian but not jew… Jew dont care about other religion and they dont need the support for christians so why they are telling that jewism and christianity are same religion…!!! They are completely different in all matter………… GOOOOOOOOD JOke agaiN
37 DD // Jan 11, 2007 at 9:03 pm
Victor;
You are asking the wrong person to interpret Bible, Torah, etc..
Less is more,I belive we need to look within for the answers and not at scripture. The problem with “hot cold ” views as you indicated, is that they tend to be absolute views, which results in ‘If I or we believe this than the others are completely wrong.’
To quote Ben Kenobi in “Star Wars 6″
“Only a sith deals in absolutes,”
Moderation in our hearts is the way towards peace and while one can always inherently make a strong case for themselves, their people, their family, we need to put ourselves in the other mans shoes.
I dont belive a group of people is just evil, I believe they become that way through causality. We need to find a way that works for everyone. It is possible.
38 Nerah // Jan 11, 2007 at 11:48 pm
James Reesor,
But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty: and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence.
1 Corinthians1:27-29
Believe, Lord let Your Glory fall!!!!!!
39 Nathan // Jan 12, 2007 at 1:50 am
Sylvestre - why do you bother? Does calling me a neo-con make your worthless anti-Christian anti-Jew hating self feel better? I hope so. Go be with Muslims if you care about them so much.
I am not a neo-con and I am not a evangelical either. But your assumptions provided me with enough entertainment this round I’ll let it go.
40 Joyce // Jan 12, 2007 at 9:34 am
Nerah,
I missed Bush’s Address, but I agree with you that we should definitely do something about Iran before it’s too late. And I don’t believe that we should send anymore troops to Iraq. I think it’s about time that their new government should start defending themselves. I also agree that we should concentrate on supporting, and helping anyway that we can, in Israel’s defense against their enemies. May God bless us all.
41 Nerah // Jan 12, 2007 at 9:26 pm
Joyce,
after I heard the address I went to memri.org see islamic website monitor for Jan.11th, 2007, also as far as endtimes go there is an article for (U.S. and Middle East) that is dated Jan. 12th, (I believe that is the heading) that is very interesting. my point, I still believe what I said about sending our troops to Israel and only keeping troops in Iraq for capturing the heads of terror but if this 1st article is true then the need to deal with that issue also, it is pretty scarey! Please lord protect our troops!!! This article here about the U.S. official telling Israel Bush is behind them…? hmmm that is not what I heard him say, we shall see what actually happens? I hope he is!!!! I think he is in his heart but I think he will have to stand against so much pressure, against all the Congress and world and it is a Spiritual battle, he will have to decide to be radical for his faith in Jesus and even die politically, maybe even physically. Would he do that!!! He would have to get on his knees, pray, depend on God, and turn from his wicked ways! be willing to loose all for what God wants! so far he has not done alot of that but maybe he will turn around we can pray!! we can do our part!!
42 Joyce // Jan 12, 2007 at 11:20 pm
Nerah,
I agree, I believe it’s important for us to have our troops in Iraq to fight the terror threat. I just believe after all that we have done for Iraq, that it’s time they helps us out, instead of us sending more of our troops there to fight, it’s their battle too. And I hope, and pray, that Bush will support Israel, and not give in to pressure from anyone against Israel. And you are right he needs to pray, and depend on God, to help him realize the importance of our continued support for Israel. So hopefully Christians everywhere will do their part, and pray to God, that Bush will do his.
43 Nathan // Jan 13, 2007 at 2:24 am
Joyce - I wish the Arabs were as smart as I thought they were in the begining. What does it tell you in Afgan. when nobody is killing each other and sectarian this and that - why do they have it together? These people are crazy and we can’t do a damn thing for them anymore. We went there to get rid of Saddam and we hung him last week so lets come home now. I supported Bush and I supported the war but not anymore, not if we can’t fight the way we need to win. Seven step rules of engagement are still in place so now we can have 20,000 more people with seven rules of seperation between them and the terrorists, this is just silly now. We are wasting our time while Iran and Russia plan the demise of America as we know it. I do think that Bush will support Israel to end without any question. And if Iran wants to launch a bomb then let them. There civilization as they know it will cease to exist.
Nerah - I am sad that he did not include Israel in the speech. A free Iraq and a stable Iraq is a huge win for Israel.
” still believe what I said about sending our troops to Israel and only keeping troops in Iraq for capturing the heads of terror” I wish I could agree with that statement but the Arabs will just freak out when we land our boots in Israel.
I am afraid that when he spoke of sending another battlegroup to the Persian that this is indeed the begining of the end. We might not set foot in Iran but we will be bombing them beyond the stone age in the weeks to come.
Israel cannot be allowed to hit Iran (even though I wish they would nuke them). The Arab response would be a WWIII. So the good ole USA has to do something before they do. The problem is the Jews have a nack for taking matters into their own hands. I pray for peace, but its just not reality.
44 Nerah // Jan 13, 2007 at 3:34 am
Nathan,
I don’t believe peace is a reality, I actually don’t spend alot of time praying for it, I just don’t feel led to at this time, I will when I do however, I pray for the protection of our soldiers and Israel’s and all civilians, God’s people in general, for salvation, on and on and for the things I said about Bush and for the other world leaders that they would look to God and not man! I think any move Israel makes will be seen as terrorism by the muslims and also most of the world and alot of the moves the U.S. makes is just going to spur more violence in the islamic peoples throughout the world and the Magog war is looking like it is very close. a free and stable Iraq would be great for Israel and I am sure there are some decent Iraqi people there! I did have a point in including the info on memri.org though, if you see what happened in Iraq prior to Bush’s speach, you will see that we’re now stuck trying to fight a war we started .We can’t allow terrorist to perform horrible acts such as these and not respond or just pull out in the middle and surrender that doesn’t work? the terrorists are here in the west!!! All over the world, the reality is this is not about Iraq, or Iran, this is a world war people, I pray I am wrong, like I said this is a spiritual battle, it is about God’s people and the nation’s are going to pay dearly and I pray Bush will come through because there are an awful lot of jokes out there about God burning one bush once. I say but the bush was burning but it was not consumed. I think that joke is cruel personally, I am just making a point. We all have a nack for taking things in to our own hands not just Jewish people. It is a human thing, we try to drive instead of giving the wheel to God! We need to surrender all, and it is simple the word ALL means=all ie..everything…all of you… every tiny bit that means anything to your life, soul, spirit, mind, body,money,job,family,kids,church,house,home,
prayer,wife,husband,girfriend,boyfriend,car,ministy,will,purpose,destiny,vision,health,gifts,pain..you get it, was that to much, sorry, it’s just that people don’t get it.
45 Joyce // Jan 13, 2007 at 5:02 am
Nathan,
I agree with you that they are crazy and that we’ve done enough for them. I don’t believe that we should keep our troops there for their benefit. I believe it’s important for us to have our troops there, only if it helps our fight against terrorism. I definitely don’t think that we should send anymore of our troops over there. But if our being there isn’t helping, then I believe that we should bring them home before anymore lives are lost.
46 Charles Wesley // Jan 13, 2007 at 6:19 am
There is no religion in all the world that is intolerant to other beliefs today except Islam . All other beliefs are not imposed on the unwilling . You can take it or leave it . But Islam must eliminate all other beliefs . Misguided Catholics centuries ago did about the same thing in South America but, was contrary to the Bible . The Koran (Quran) instructs those diaper heads to kill the infidel if he will not convert .
Nerah , Nathan , in the book of Ezekiel 39 the LORD says that He will send fire on those nations that comes against Israel and those that dwells (carelessly in the Isles). The latter seems like the USA . The fact is that Bush is playing hard ball with Olmert for what ever that leads to. The way this country is moving away from God , remember Sodom & Gomorrah .
I do believe that we will have a nuclear exchange with Russia over Israel . In Revelations 18 the United States is the only Great City (Civilization) that could be compared in all respects to the description of Babylon and our commerce that causes all the world to commit fornication with her , the Harlot. The Great City of Babylon is utterly burned with fire in one hour . You are right Nerah there is no need to pray for peace, all you can do is be ready to meet Jesus if we make it that far on this earth or in heaven. Nathan those Arabs will be on the wrong side of the Lord and they will have fire sent on them .
47 Nerah // Jan 14, 2007 at 1:29 am
Charles,
although I think America can end up like Babylon or Sodom if they don’t change their ways, or due to a financial down fall. I am not sure Revelations is taliking about America, I think Babylon is being and will actually be rebuilt, however we try to interpret revelations and many have differant opinions, I know I am constantly learning, I will study chapter 18 more. another scripture to look at regarding nations coming against Israel and God coming against them is Joel3.
48 Charles Wesley // Jan 14, 2007 at 3:48 am
Nera ,
This is also foretold in Ezekiel 38 & 39 and Zachariah 12 & 14 . The Temple will be rebuilt and the abomination of desolation will happen per 2nd Thess. chap. 2 .
If you read about all of the riches and dainty things
mentioned in Rev. 18 plus the merchants that mourn the demise of Babylon from afar . The fact is that we are making the world merchants wealthy beyond any other nations abilities . Also Babylon has no seaports Rev 18 verse17. It would take a century to gain that kind of stature as a nation of such riches . With the crude mentality of Islam ruling that area rebuilding Old Babylon would be pointless . Babylon was a huge rich civilization in the midst of a poor unsettled world unequaled by any until today . Today we are the Babylon of the world . We cause all the world to commercialize and join in to the commerce that brings all the glitter of Satans deceptions into the mainstream of life . Examples ; New shiny cars , TV, Porn, Music Popstars and look what they are teaching youth ,Movie Stars and their lifestyles, Sex sells , all of the new fads and must have items that their friends have, in all of these new things disrespect for their parents . Commerce is the Whore of Babylon as far as i can see.
49 lakeside // Jan 14, 2007 at 11:01 pm
time is up guys…….now give up ur efforts.. russia already passed the nuclear technology to iran. and now it will be big mistake to do anything. they already have successfully tested nuclear and not you cant do anything.
This is causion and now i think that the days of bush administration is now over.
50 Victor Passenheim // Jan 15, 2007 at 6:15 am
lakeside,
We weren’t afraid before, but now that you came along WE’RE QUAKING IN OUR BOOTS! :(
LOL.
Read the Bible, man! Get a better grip on “time”.
51 Nerah // Jan 15, 2007 at 8:23 am
Victor, Yes your right he had me shaking, LOL,
Charles,
I agree with you on Ezekiel, Zacheriah,2Thes., and I even discussed some of the type (not all, or as specific to ch 18) of things you are suggesting regarding America ending up like Babylon if they don’t change their ways, on a prior post. I believe it was with Joyce? I am not sure..? However as far as I’ve been taught Babylon usually refers to Rome and in Revelations, particularily ch16-19 it is referring to a new revived Roman Empire, such as the European Union, this is coming to pass and has been for years. We could be wrong however and it could refer to America but I am not sure how the 7 heads and 10 horns fit in chapter17, (if it were America) which the heads are a symbol for mountains and many have attributed that to mean: seven hills along Tiber river ,which is Rome. Mountains can also refer to earthly kingdoms or empires. Then he says there are 7 kings also. Not sure about who? Any way I have lots of other info on the subject but end-times prophecy is an interesting subject that I am always learning about, I have found the best teachers are Jewish Rabbi’s, Imagine that. And Hebrew shed’s amazing light on the scriptures! for info on the European Union, try fulfilledprophecy.com, I don’t necessarilly agree with all his beliefs but he has links to the E.U. website and lots of interesting info. He believes in pretrib. or they call it prewrath rapture., I don’t believe that is what scripture teaches but I am not going to argue over that, we know where we go in the end!
52 Charles Wesley // Jan 16, 2007 at 1:23 am
Nerah ,
I have considered that those 7 mountains could be the 7 continents that stand out of the seas . The seven heads could be seven prominent heads of state. I do not know how many world economic planners such as in the G8 conference there are but I’m sure that they will figure in somewhere . Rome has never been a large world trader or ever will match the US in total volume of trade with Europe included .
I keep hearing the name of a group the Illuminati .
Soon we will know .
53 Charles Wesley // Jan 16, 2007 at 1:37 am
Lakeside might be right , we should target every inch of Iran. The first sign of any launch of any kind in Iran we should nuke them out of existance . Welcome to the nuclear club . They will probably blow their self up .
54 sumaroo // Jan 17, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Why does the USA support Israel?
It is often said that America supports Israel because the Jews in America are better organized, more vocal, contribute money to political candidates and vote for candidates who support Israel.
This argument seems unsupportable. As far as giving money to political candidates, Jews are notoriously tight-fisted when it comes to money. It seems unlikely that they give significant amounts of money to any political candidates.
As far as their voting power is concerned, Jews are mostly concentrated in New York City. In the other 49 states, their vote would not be enough to swing an election. Moreover, the anti-Israeli voters are unquestionably in far greater numbers than the Jews.
As to the other points, it is not correct that all American Jews support Israel. Many American Jews are strongly opposed to Israel and to the policies of Israel.
There must be some other reason why America supports Israel.
The answer is obvious to almost everyone who had studied the subject. America supports Israel because Fundamentalist Christians in America support Israel.
Whereas Jews are tight with their money, Fundamentalist Christians are required by their religion to donate ten percent of their income to religious causes. A surprisingly large number of Fundamentalist Christians follow this rule exactly, especially since they have been taught that they will burn in Hell for all Eternity if they do not do so.
Fundamentalist Christians constitute the biggest voting block in the USA. No political candidate can get elected if the Fundamentalist Christians are opposed.
Fundamentalist Christians are those who believe in the exact words of the Bible. For example, when the Bible says that the earth and all of its creatures were created in six days, that means exactly six days, according to the Fundamentalist Christians.
The Catholics are not Fundamentalist Christians. The Catholics in general do not read the Bible and are unfamiliar with its contents. The Catholics follow whatever the Pope says. The Fundamentalist Christians do not have any titular leader. They read the Bible and consider every word it contains to be true.
Interestingly, Muslims have exactly the same split. There are two kinds of Muslims: Sunnis and Shiites. The Sunnis are like the Fundamentalist Christians. They read the Koran and believe that every word it contains is true. The Shiites are like the Catholics. Although they read the Koran, they follow the teachings of the descendants of the Prophet, starting with Ali, the son-in-law of the Prophet, and his sons, and continuing down to the present generation. Every Ayatollah in Iran claims to be a direct descendant of the Prophet. Also, every person with the names Said, Sayed or Saidy claims to be a direct descendant of the Prophet.
Fundamentalist Christians are all Protestants. The largest group is the Baptists.
Whereas the Jews are divided in their support of Israel, the Fundamentalist Christians are united in their support of Israel. This explains why no political candidate can be elected in America who is opposed to Israel.
Now, the key question is: Why do the Fundamentalist Christians support Israel?
Fundamentalist Christians believe that every word of the Bible is true. Their support for Israel comes directly from the Bible. Most importantly, it comes from the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible, chapters 16 to 21.
According to the Bible and the Book of Revelation, chapters 16-21, in order for the Second Coming of Christ to occur, several things must happen. First, the Jews must return to Jerusalem. That has already happened. Then, there will be a series of catastrophic events. The moon will turn to blood. Next, there will be a major battle known as the Battle of Armageddon. Satan will declare war on Jerusalem. He will effect it through the Anti-Christ. The Bible states that part of Jerusalem will be destroyed and pillaged. It also states that when all appears hopeless for the Jews, the Second Coming of Christ will occur. From the ruins a new Jerusalem will arise and all the remaining Jews who were not killed in the Battle of Armageddon will convert to Christianity.
These events all depend on one thing: The Jews must be in control of Jerusalem. The Biblical account of The Battle of Armageddon describes the Jews as bring in Jerusalem. Therefore, if the Jews do not control Jerusalem, Battle of Armageddon and thereafter the Second Coming of Christ cannot occur.
For this reason, the Fundamentalist Christians support Israel.
Some Fundamentalist Christians, including especially Jerry Falwell, believe that the attack on the World Trade Center was the first of the series of catastrophic events described in the Book of Revelation which will lead to the Second Coming of Christ. This is why immediately after the attack on the World Trade Center Falwell said that the attack was “God’s punishment”. Falwell later apologized for this statement, but he has since said different versions of the same thing many times. This is now part of his regular sermon.
This explains many of Falwell’s other statements, such as his statement which made the world press last year that “The Anti-Christ is a Jew”.
This explains the surprising dichotomy. Falwell supports Israel and even helps to raise money for Israel, but he is against the Jews. He wants the Jews to be able to return to Jerusalem and he wants the Muslims to be attacked and driven out of Jerusalem. Falwell does not like the Jews, but he helps and supports them. This is because he believes that many of the Jews in Jerusalem will be killed in the Battle of Armageddon and the remainder will all convert to Christianity.
The Jews know all this. They often remark that there are problems with accepting support from a man who supports them only so that they will be killed or else convert to Christianity. However, the Jews do not believe in the Book of Revelation and they figure that their pragmatic choice is to accept support from all who offer it, regardless of motivation.
One factor which gives Falwell such power is that most Fundamentalist Christians believe in the separation between church and state. They feel that religion and politics should not be mixed. You will never hear the Rev. Billy Graham, a much more prominent Christian Fundamentalist than Falwell, telling his followers for which political candidate to vote. Falwell is virtually the only Christian Fundamentalist who consistently makes political statements. However, when the others remain silent and appear not to disagree, Falwell appears to be speaking for all Christian Fundamentalists, which constitute a near majority of all Americans.
It can be said with certainty that without the support of Jerry Falwell, George W. Bush would never have been elected president. His father, George Bush senior, would also never have been elected without Falwell’s support, nor would Ronald Reagan have been elected. Jimmy Carter was himself a Fundamentalist Christian. Thus, the only president in the last 30 years who was neither a Fundamentalist Christian nor did have their strong support was Bill Clinton.
How does this affect the current situation regarding the pending War with Iraq??
Right now, George W. Bush is on the verge of declaring war, even though a majority of Americans are against the war. Why? Because Jerry Falwell is telling him to do so.
The war with Iraq fits in with Jerry Falwell’s vision of the future. Falwell regards the attack on the World Trade Center as the first of a series of catastrophes leading up to the Battle of Armageddon. Falwell knows that an attack on Iraq could lead to a world conflagration. Muslim Fundamentalists in countries like Pakistan and Egypt could rise up against their own governments and then rally to the support of Iraq. Reasonable minds realize that this is something to be avoided. Falwell, however, wants this because he believes that this will lead to the Battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ.
The latest controversy began when Falwell said in an interview broadcast on October 6 on CBS’s “60 Minutes”: “I think Muhammad was a terrorist.” This statement was broadcast in India and resulted in riots in which nine people were killed. Falwell later apologized, but nobody is convinced by his apology because Falwell often makes such statements, then apologizes and then makes almost exactly the same statement again. Falwell also apologized for his statements that the anti-Christ is a Jew and the attack on the World Trade Center was God’s punishment, but he has since said almost exactly the same things again.
You may ask how I know so much about Jerry Falwell. I have known Jerry Falwell for 47 years. Is that long enough? Sam Falwell, a cousin of Jerry Falwell, sat next to me for two years in home room at E.C. Glass High School in Lynchburg, Virginia.
55 sumaroo // Jan 17, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Jerry Falwell says that the AntiChrist is a Jew
Jerry Falwell, who kidnapped my eight-year-old daughter Shamema, and is holding her prisoner in his Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Virginia, stepped into a new controversy when he stated that the AntiChrist is a Jew who is alive today.
Jerry Falwell
The news media carried the story:
“WILLIAMSBURG, Va. (AP) — The Rev. Jerry Falwell said the Antichrist is probably alive today and is a male Jew. He also believes the second coming of Christ probably will be within 10 years. In a speech Thursday about the concern people have over the new millennium, Falwell told about 1,500 people at a conference on evangelism at Kingsport, Tenn., that the Antichrist is male and is a Jew.”
Falwell is known as a strong supporter of Israel and a strong opponent of Palestinian rights. Therefore, Jewish leaders were especially dismayed by his remarks.
On his own web site, Falwell now says that his remarks were misinterpreted.
“When I delivered my sermon on the second coming of Jesus Christ last week to a pastors’ conference in Kingsport, Tennessee, I conveyed biblically-based truths that I have believed and preached nationally for more than 40 years. In addition to asserting that I personally believe that Christ could return soon, I stated that the Antichrist may possibly be alive on the earth today. Many evangelicals, including Billy Graham and millions of others, believe in the imminent, premillennial, pretribulational second coming of Jesus Christ for all of His Church. Since Jesus came to the earth the first time 2,000 years ago as a Jewish male, many evangelicals believe the Antichrist will, by necessity, be a Jewish male. This belief is 2,000 years old and has no anti-Semitic roots. This is simply historic and prophetic orthodox Christian doctrine that many theologians, Christian and non-Christian, have understood for two millennia.”
However, Falwell’s claim appears to have no Biblical support. For example, 2 John 1:7 says: “Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.”
Historically, the belief over the centuries has been that the Antichrist is a person pretending to be a Christian, indeed someone resembling Falwell himself. Falwell’s idea that the Antichrist is a Jew seems to have been invented by Falwell.
Falwell concludes his website with the statement that his remark that the antichrist is a Jew is neither anti-Jewish or anti-Semitic and that some of his best friends are Jewish.
Falwell has traveled more than 30 times to Israel and has personally met every Prime Minister of Israel. He is considered to be a strong supporter of Israel. However, Rabbi Leon Klenicki, director of interfaith affairs for the ADL, said his remarks reflect his “lack of understanding of Judaism and the Jewish people in God’s design.”
“He supports Israel for his own Christological ends,” Rabbi Klenicki said. “My concern is that when the year 2000 comes and he realizes that the Jewish people will not convert to Christianity, that he’ll be critical of the State of Israel.”
Falwell’s statement “borders on anti-Semitism at best and is anti-Semitic at worst,” said Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League.
Phil Baum, executive director of the American Jewish Congress, along with Jack Rosen, president of the group, issued a statement saying that Falwell’s view “will have an inevitably incendiary and degrading effect on Christian attitudes toward Jews.”
Note: Several readers have expressed disbelief at my statement that the Falwell organization kidnapped my daughter and is holding her prisoner now. However, my statement can be proven. Just go to Jerry Falwell’s Thomas Road Baptist Church on Thomas Road in Lynchburg, Virginia almost any weekday, and my daughter will be there. Then, try to approach and speak to her and you will find that she is closely watched and guarded and that no outsider is allowed to speak to her.
56 sumaroo // Jan 17, 2007 at 2:54 pm
Is that true Jews will be converted to christianity according to the bible ???????????????????
57 Charles Wesley // Jan 18, 2007 at 1:07 am
Samaroo, you are not totally right about Christians commitment to Israel . First of all Christians obedient to God does tithe 10 % . This is a statement of dedication to God . It is a fact that you put your money where your mouth is if you are committed to a belief . As for our support for Israel , you have miss understood the reason for that support . I don’t know that many Jewish people , but I support the state of Israel . I believe this to be the case for most Christians . My support is for God and his (covenant) with the seed of Isaac . In case you don’t
remember God did not make his covenant with Ishmael . In the book of Genesis , God told Abraham , I will bless them that blesses you and curse them that curses you . These are my reasons for supporting Israel and most likely shared by the majority of other Christians .
AS for Jerry Falwell , his opinion is just that ,no better than any other Bible scholar . But the Bible does tell us that the False Christ (antichrist) will be of Jewish decent . Also the Islamic version (Dajjal) is discribed as a Jew . They also know that he will betray them . Just type in the name Dajjal and check it out . If you knew how the Jews were blinded to Jesus so the Gentile could recieve him , you could see that there is no hate of the Jew ,but compassion ,for they have borne the blame for the Crucifiction for over 2000 years . Those people that do not know Jesus as their savior never understood what really happened with the Crucifiction .
As for the Jews recieving Jesus , I see no problem with that . He will come back as the Lion this time . Not the Lamb . If you don’t understand that Im sorry , I guess you will have to read the Bible instead of copying some article that somewhat agrees with your views . I understand that Syria is supporting an effort to discourage Christian support for Israel so you will find disinformation a problem now days .
Like a Lion !
58 Nathan // Jan 18, 2007 at 5:29 am
Enough with the novels sumaroo. Bottom line is the USA supports Israel because every other nation on this worthless planet hates Jews and don’t want Israel to exist. Don’t ask me for evidence it’s called Anti-Semitism and it’s all over the planet, the Euro trash know it well they help teach it and fester it amongst other Euros and the Arabs that are taking over Europe.
Charles - “Nathan those Arabs will be on the wrong side of the Lord and they will have fire sent on them ”
Does that go for Russians and Syrians to? I hope so…but answer me something…I am a real non-believer in basically everything except God himself as the creator of the universe. I am just not sure about everything else. I was baptised a Catholic raised in the end to be Episcopalian, and now I am nothing but what I call my “God Only Religon”, sole belief in God and nothing else.
But ok really I must say though that if your right and Russia decides to end the world the what the hell man? I mean thats it, thanks Russia for fraking us all? That seems like one big mean joke to me. I don’t want to be held accountable for the actions of some stupid commie bastard or an Arab for that matter. Why why why???? It pisses me off I don’t want to think that God would allow such an ending.
I love Israel and I love the United States of America.
59 Joyce // Jan 18, 2007 at 9:10 am
sumaroo,
It seems only natural to me, for Christians to support Israel. Christians love God, and the Jews, who are his chosen people. So I really don’t understand why other people can’t figure this out. And it really bothers me when people make statements about Christians, and our beliefs, who obviously don’t know what they’re talking about. Nowhere in the Bible will you find anything, about burning in hell if you don’t tithe. Because if that were true, then we would be saved by works, and not by grace. And that’s not how it is. In Ephesians chap. 2 verses 8 & 9 it says:
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
“Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
So we Christians, who give our tithes are just being obedient to God. I also am obedient to God by reading my Bible, and of course every word in the Bible is true.If it wasn’t that would be calling God a liar, and God is definitely not a liar! And also God is the only one in control of the Second Coming of Christ. And also because of Daniel chap. 11 verse 37 some Christians believe that the antichrist is a Jew. It says this:
“Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.”
So as you can see the part about the antichrist “not regarding the God of his fathers” is why some Christians believe he is a Jew, and that was not invented by Jerry Falwell. And it’s also not about being anti-semetic, it’s about what the Bible says. And yes, I believe it’s true that the Jews will have their chance for salvation. Because as God says in Romans chap. 11 verses 25-27:
“For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”
“And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:”
“For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.”
60 Charles Wesley // Jan 18, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Nathan ,
The world events are lining up for the big occupation of Israel soon . Those countries in the coalition with Russia spoken of in Ezekiel 38 & 39 are coming together . Israels vulnerability has been revealed to the world thus the Arabs . The last chapter of Zachariah also tells of the event . Russia will occupy Israel . Israel will still exist but will suffer a large defeat and occupation . Jesus Christ will come back and pour out fire on whom he will . That will not be the end . If you believe in God the creator you must know that he created his son Jesus to bring Grace and mercy to the world . Your apparent lack of knowledge in the Bible is the fault of the old Catholic church . You should embark on a journey through the bible today . Your acceptance of God as your creator does not make you any different from those that hate Israel . It is the faith in Christ Jesus that in Gods eyes that will save your soul . If Jesus does not confess you to God you will burn in hell with the Tares of this world . The only thing in our world that truly matters is our relationship with our LORD JESUS CHRIST . All else is vanity .
Even the chosen people (Jews) will have to accept Jesus as the Messiah (LORD)
Don’t trust your soul with anyone . Read for yourself .
61 sumaroo // Jan 18, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Well i know christian as i am living in christian country. How many of christian knows the christianity and how many of them believes in god that I know very vell. I am also asking you that where are the christian who did holocust and where are the christian who throw away most of the jews out of europe??????? Funnyyyyyyy well dont try to make the foolish commnets as history and present is the proof the love between christian and jews……
It is written in all the holy books there will be no compromise between christians, jews and muslims until end of the world. Although all there religions have the same root and I believe that this is true. I am not afrading to die in the world war 3 or holy war what every you call. but it is true and practically seen that only the people most effected by the world war 3 are israely people and i think that in the armagaddon only the many of the stated can be in fire including the arabs and many muslims countries and christian too but i think muslim and christians can servive as they are in all of the world but what about the jewish as 90% of jews are living in USA and israel..!!
62 Nerah // Jan 19, 2007 at 1:00 am
Charles,
as far as lakeside goes= clueless, also remember armedillo= muslim, his rederic just gets worse you can try but I would suggest alot of prayer.
Joyce,
The first believers were Jewish, our New Testament was written by Jewish people,ie…the disciples, of course you know that, mostly to Jewish people, some of it is to us gentiles. They are absolutely God’s Chosen… so they Absolutely will have a chance to recieve the Kingdom of the Gospel of Yeshua Meshiach! And many are currently, throughout the world, there are Messianic Jewish congregations that welcome Jewish people and Gentiles on the Shabbat (Saturday) , A good one will not require a gentile to become jewish or a jewish person to become a gentile but the group will become echad= a united one. That is what it is all about! that is what God wants! I know you guys know about these congregations they are great! look one up in your area if you can it is well worth it , I have learned so much!! I have studied the bible for years, but have found that I am now learning new things about scriptures that I had no clue about.
“Thus says the Lord of Hosts: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of the Jewish man, saying “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”‘” Zechariah8:23
Charles,
back to Revelation, the revived roman empire is more than just Rome, it is multiple countries that makes up what looks exactly like the old Roman Empire. If you look at the European Union this fits, what they are doing right now is they chose 10 countries to be the top dogs heads over everone else and one leader, this man is from Spain, I have heard a theory that this is where the antichrist comes from, I know this is not where everyone expects it right now but just one thought. I do not think I know anything fo sure at this point I do know the European Union is a major Playor and Salono is their leader and he wants to take over the place and the document that decided it was #666. interesting.Your right I think, The European Union and the revived Roman Empire does not fit with ch.18, but ch13. I believe these are 2 differant beasts,some don’t. There is also the beast in 13:11 this is supposed to be a false prophet? I know that the United Nations are going to play a roll also in the end and are starting to suggest differant moronic ploys, they are working with the E.U. at times. Then There is Islam in general which is tied into the U.N. It is interesting that by ch 18 in my bible I have written a few things from past studies…economic world collapse… not caring about people but merchandise=money…commercialism, economic world system being destroyed, I don’t know when I wrote these things. I watched a show on Christian T.V. once about the rebuilding of Babylon, it was really happening, Saddem was doing it, he believed he was nebbachanezzer reincarnate. They got really far! Look it up online there is a guy with pictures they are not very good but, …ch16:17-19 talks about a great Earthquake that would split Babylon (great city) into 3, this could be how it could get a coast, also if America goes under economically and some of the middle East countries save us,and require us to forsake Israel(a theory out there)they could very easily become much more prosperous in trade and who knows what we are going to see! this is all just theory, also, I often think scripture has dual or even more than that meaning so maybe Babylon is more than one place? I definitely believe it is false religion and that is either Islam, Catholisim, or I hate to break it to you guys but America and Christianity because Christmas and Eastar and Sunday Sabbath and Halloween and on and on, that is just the beggining, we misinterpreted the Bible in a horrible way and we knew about alot but said oh it won’t hurt, oh well!
63 Nerah // Jan 19, 2007 at 1:29 am
I will fix it if you let me or scrap it I reckon so much for Truth,or theory as I said,….a very biased examination.. I’m not much of a moderate,I quess..
64 Joyce // Jan 19, 2007 at 2:44 am
sumaroo,
I believe, that there are many people who claim to be Christians, who are not. Just because they say that they are Christians doesn’t make it so. This is exactly what I was talking about, people who don’t know our beliefs, can’t understand that it takes more than that to become a Christian. Because as the Bible says in James chap. 2 verse 19:
“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”
So you see, just believing there is a God is not enough to become a Christian, because as you can see “the devils also believe, and tremble.” To become a Christian you have to repent your of your sins, and ask Jesus to forgive your sins, and to be Lord and Savior. And then your life is changed and you become a new creature in Christ, and live your life for the Lord. So you see those people that had anything to do with the holocaust, no matter what they claim, could not have been Christians. And in the Bible the books of Ezekiel chaps. 38 & 39, and Rev. chap. 20 verses 7-10, tells all about Armageddon it says:
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,”
“And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.”
“And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
And so you see, God will take care of those who come against Israel.
65 Charles Wesley // Jan 19, 2007 at 4:34 am
Nerah , Say what?
66 Nerah // Jan 19, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Charles,
wrote You a long response regarding revelation apparently me choosing hot and being radical can’t work here anymore, I thought this was a blog site where we spoke truth!has it been taken over by D.D. the voice of moderation? because they said my post was awaiting moderation, I have read posts on this site that were full of hate and violence anger lies misquotation of the word, lies about politics and government, Israel and the Jewish people and Christians, etc. so I couldn’t quite understand, but whatever!I try to allow the Holy Spirit to be my Guide when I post..I did say multiple times that some of the stuff was just theory however some stuff was fact, I even corrected, or modified what I wrote, as they asked, but they still did not like it, possibly what I said at the end was misunderstood? I will repeat that part differently and see= what I meant was= this is not the end but I agree the revived Roman Empire is probably not ch 18 but ch 13, and it would be not just Rome but multiple countries, to make it look like the old Roman empire, this is already happening. I believe the beast in ch 18 is different than ch 13,=
this is slightly like what I wrote at the end but I will clarify more= ch18 Babylon definitely refers to false Religion and Catholisim throughout the ages has practised this in many forms, one way through persecution and other legalism= not to say all catholism is false religion or that catholics are not saved I know alot of great catholics, Mother Teresa is my hero and Pope John Paul was one of the greatest men to ever live. also Islam is no doubt a false religion, I don’t think I need to clarify that one, as are many other religion’s: also in America mostly, (as in other countries) Christianity has also been a false religion through our worship of Christmas and christmas trees= , (I don’t have a problem with the birth of Christ of course! Santa Claus , Eastar= Ishtar, and the worship of Nimrod, Halloween,not necesary to clarify, and Sunday worship,which is not a problem in itself, I participate in it, I just believe it is not the true Sabbath and the 4th commandment, well, we are to keep the sabbath Holy, is this a matter of salvation ,no, I was just saying we have misunderstood God’s word for centuries and many Christians knew but said “oh well” and did not teach or act on the truth and continue to pass on tradittions of man or pagans and not God. I also had said alot of more detailed stuff regarding prophecy with names and such, regarding Babylon being rebuilt, it is being done on the original site, or was, I watched a program on it. do a web search, also in ch16 it says the great city Babylon will be split in3 by an earthquake this could cause it to have coasts..?
67 Nerah // Jan 19, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Joyce and Charles,
sumaroo is not really worth arguing with, he gets worse if you remember him from the past he needs lots of prayer! The first believers were Jewish, our New Testament was written by Jewish people,ie…the disciples, of course you know that, mostly to Jewish people, some of it is to us gentiles of course because so many Jewish people missed their Messiah. They are absolutely God’s Chosen… so they Absolutely will have a chance to recieve the Kingdom of the Gospel of Yeshua Meshiach! And many are currently, throughout the world, there are Messianic Jewish congregations that welcome Jewish people and Gentiles on the Shabbat (Saturday) , A good one will not require a gentile to become jewish or a jewish person to become a gentile but the group will become echad= a united one. That is what it is all about! that is what God wants! I know you guys know about these congregations they are great! look one up in your area if you can it is well worth it , I have learned so much!! I have studied the bible for years, but have found that I am now learning new things about scriptures that I had no clue about. We owe what we have in the spirit to the Jewish peoples…Romans15:25-27 and
Ephesians2:11-16
“Thus says the Lord of Hosts: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of the Jewish man, saying “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”‘” Zechariah8:23
68 Joyce // Jan 19, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Nerah,
Thanks for the information about the Messianic Jewish congregations, we will have to check them out. And I agree about sumaroo, he does need a lot of prayer, that is why I mostly quote scripture to him. Because I feel as you do about letting the Holy Spirit be my guide. So whenever I feel that Holy Spirit has led me to scripture, then I feel as a Christian being obedient to God, that I must quote it. Because this is all about God, and not about me, I am just his vessel to do his will. And I will give God all the honor and glory.
69 Nerah // Jan 19, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Amen Joyce
70 Charles Wesley // Jan 20, 2007 at 1:09 am
Nerah, This world is trying to do away with Christianity as hard as they can go . I understand that most of Europe has turned away from God and Islam is taking over . This I believe is because of the change of world opinion needed to come about for the introduction of the Antichrist . The stage is being set for his debut . As interpreted by most , he will be a homosexual Jew ( Daniel 11 verse 37 ) . Also
while viewing a documentary on the Vatican , it was said on national TV that it was believed that he was to be a future Pope . Of course that seat would not be prestiegous enough so he will set in the seat of God in the to be rebuilt Temple of God (2nd Thess .ch.2 )
And yes there is a man that is of the Jewish ancestry in line to be Pope . And to see the rapid advances of immorality being forsed down our throats ,we must very close . Through it all , we must abide with Christ and be fruitfull for him until the end . May God bless you all and Grace and Mercy be with you .
71 Nerah // Jan 20, 2007 at 3:42 am
Charles,
I have heard about this Pope, I am not sure about the interpretation of this verse in Daniel though, questions, questions but in time we will know for sure won’t we! Yes Christianity along with God’s chosen people have been attacked throughout the centuries, Just claiming to be a Christian is like putting a big target on yourself for satan. Can you imagine being a Jewish person claiming to be a believer, talk about target practice!!! Prayer is needed! But thank you Yeshua that greater is he that is in us than he that is in the world!
72 Charles Wesley // Jan 22, 2007 at 5:46 am
Nerah , I can’t conceive of any greater of of a target than a Jew in Israel these days . The hatemongers of Islam and those that cheer them on need no greater of a target than being the (chosen people) . That makes them the (rejected ones) and they take it personal .
As a Gentile and not of the seed of Abraham , I guess you could say that I can’t appreciate the Arabs feeling of rejection by God himself . On the other hand the Ishmaelites were not blinded to Jesus and Grace and Mercy .
If you think Jews in Israel are painted with a large target , the one on the USA is much larger .
73 Nerah // Jan 22, 2007 at 10:14 pm
Charles,
The Ishmaelites also recieved a blessing from God although they are not God’s chosen, see Genesis21:17-21 and Genesis 16:11-14, their eyes have been blinded the same as the rest of the worlds, all nations and peoples have a chance to receive the grace and mercy and all that comes with the kingdom and salvation of our Yeshua meshiach, I know we don’t want to include them right now with the horror they are performing but that is not Yeshua’s way. We of course can not negotiate with terrorists or be stupid, this is war but there is still prayer, God’s love, grace and mercy and it knows no bounds. We all can be grafted in and recieve all of the inheritance of the kingdom, and become in a sence royalty, a chosen people that way. Even murderers can be forgiven, not to say we don’t still bare punishment for our sins, we do. He created the Ishmaelites also and He loves them as much as He loves us, He is a God of wrath though and vengeance, but it is Righteous anger, not like our anger.
But even if our Gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus sake. For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2Cor.2:3-6
Although the USA is not following all that they should they still have more freedom than any other country, (although freedom is overrated, surrender,and being a bondslave,and a servant is what Christ calls for.) I mean religous freedom, political freedom,etc. We are doing the most for Israel, we have alot of freedom of media, and alot of diversity, etc., now I am not blind I know the truth, when I say we are supporting Israel I know we still aren’t really doing it God’s way, and this road map plan….UUUGGGG!!ETC!!and the money for arms to the Moderate ,palestinians….!!@$@!%^@^I must be a moderate so I won’t say anything! Prayer lots of prayer, grace, Mercy, read what I just typed, repeat, repeat, breath deep…… o.k. I’m alright, no I’m kidding, my point is USA is a big target but I think we fool ourselves if we think theUSA is a bigger one than Israel, the whole world is against them, the entire bible is about them, the only reason the USA will be targeted is because of them, they will be blessed by God, the rest of the nations will feel the wrath of God so if that is the target you mean, Yes. Otherwise, I disagree I think Israel and the Jewish people through out history whether Christian or not have been and are the major target and if they were to give all land there would be no real peace in Israel. just my opinion
74 Charles Wesley // Jan 23, 2007 at 1:24 am
Norah ,
You are right Israel is the center of the religious world ,and the bulls eye for Arabs . They would like to retake it and preserve the Dome of the Rock for ever . For this reason they are not likely to strike Israel with an all out WMD attack . As for America the Arabs have no interest in how they may poison this soil . America is a long ways from them . But, if they can disable us with attacks on our economy or our populace there would be no re-enforcement for Israels defence .
The Ishmaelites were blessed with the riches of the earth , but I find no place in the bible where they were blinded to Jesus Christ as the Messiah as was the Jews .
75 Nerah // Jan 24, 2007 at 3:24 am
Charles,
Yes I get your point they want Israel’s land, however they do not think straight. So I would not put anything past them, but God is protecting the land of Israel and will eventually Bless them! Although a good majority of muslims are far from USA, and I say muslims, because it seems it is not an issue of race but the “so called religion” of muslims, There is a number out there, that 68,000 muslims are added every 24 hours and the muslim religion is not, in some peoples opinions, (if you practice it as Allah and the muhamed would like) not a religion of peace. So some think we can not be fooled by the regular media that says all is well,..just a question posed…is there the possibility that they are here in the USA ready to do more than hit it economically at a moments notice, could the threats and propaganda videos from the mujadeen be serious or real threats? it is really just a hypothetical question from a quiet moderate. Also the above scripture I gave from 2corinthians2 about the god of this age, is refering to satan, blinding the minds of those who are perishing, those who do not believe the gospel, … this is all people…anyone of all nations races, etc.
76 Nathan // Jan 24, 2007 at 3:34 am
The worthless Arabs will never attack the Israel with nukes - your exactly right Charles the Dome is there, however the Iranians are not Arabs they are even worse then Arabs they are Persians and Shiites whereas the Arabs are Sunni. The Iranians don’t care about the Pals or anybody next door to Israel for that matter, therefore Iran must be destroyed or pre-empted within the next 90 days or I foresee consequences that we will not be able to live with down the road. And here is the final plan as I see it.
Iran is a dangerous menace against the world; their strings extend from Morocco to India and beyond. I think it’s ironic how a religion is going to destroy man in the end because that’s what this whole thing is over, the Muslims hate other religions and combine that with the Arabs practicing Nazism we are in some deep stuff. I still think we are at war with Iran anyways for taking over our embassy which is technically sovereign US territory and they technically declared war on us when they did that. Let’s go in with some helis and take super Chavez drop him off in Gitmo then go to Iran and just shoot that guy. Is it really that hard?
77 Charles Wesley // Jan 24, 2007 at 4:38 am
Nathan ,
The Iranian Psycho wants to cause a world calamity that will bring back his Majid and Jesus about mid Spring . Yes Nerah , it is accepted that some nuclear devices have been smuggled into the United States via the border with Mexico . In-fact there is a documented case where a smuggler brought in about 200 Muslim bad actors for 50,000 with a suitcase nuclear bomb . Osama is supposed to have 43 of them. Are we a real target ?
I think that Russia will be the Backbone of an attack on Israel to subdue the IDF nuclear deterrence ability possibly after an attack on the Iranian uranium enrichment sites . These attacks are likely to use low yield nuclear bunker busters . NATO might not be on our side on this one. God said He would send fire on Magog and those that dwell carelessly in the Isles . This could be the very thing that you just described Nathan . I do know that Revelations 20 tells that Magog leads a battle against the Lord after the 1000 year reign , but Israel is warned two times conspicuously about Magog . The 1000 year reign must happen after the triumphant return of Jesus to save Israel . This leads me to believe that Israel will be literally covered like a cloud with paratroopers to gain immediate control and command of the nuclear assets . After all who will Israel attack Russia , who has more nukes than the rest of the world combined . Anyway if I am still alive it will be interesting to see Gods prophesy carried out .
78 Nerah // Jan 24, 2007 at 5:21 am
Nathan,
are you saying you think Iran will completely destroy Israel? Not in prophecy, God will protect them. However the scenario you suggest is not without possibilities, I just think your leaving players out, and definitely forgetting, God is sovereign and in control of all of this!!
Charles,
Yes, I believe there have been such weapons smuggled in as you said and more, I use multiple news- info. sources- for world issues, the Magog (Russia) war as described in Ezekiel 38 is said to happen after all the children of Israel return from the nations, the other cities listed as far as I can tell are russian cities and siberia,armenia,or a place near turkey, some others that are difficult to figure still but are obviously making themselves known today. this is a different war than the one you are referring to as far as I have been taught.
79 sumaroo // Jan 24, 2007 at 2:45 pm
to nathan, charles,nerah…..
funny story guys …. good fantasy…!!!LOL
80 sumaroo // Jan 24, 2007 at 2:48 pm
to nathan, charles,nerah…..
funny story guys …. good fantasy…!!!LOL
You know howmany nuclear device needed to destroy israel completely??? advanced 3 nuclear warheads are enough to destroy israel completely.. what is teh size of israel??? LOL
If iran had nuclear attack than it is very hard to reply coz do u think will it be any silo available for launching nuclear??
81 sumaroo // Jan 24, 2007 at 3:00 pm
This is true that usa has lost the war in iraq and afganistan and do you think that bush administration will continue to stop these killings?? abosolutely no.. You will find the same predecions on four Books that what is going to happen. Well it is true that there will be no compromise between Jewish, christian and muslims forever.
The christian were against the jew in the past, now they are togather (still against but not openly) against muslims but do you really think that christians are supporting israel heartly?? funny.. They have played very good game in support to israel by creating israel they have played very big role in proxy war against arabs and middle east…
they knew that by creating israel will never make the peace in middle east and there will be no peace between israel and arabs and there will be only lost to both parties. (not the christian) why didnt they gave different state to jewish people in USA?? even usa got lot land than another 5 israel can be created in USA without trouble…!! LOL
But whatever this was completely planned by fundamentalist christian and it is going on…..
82 Charles Wesley // Jan 25, 2007 at 12:02 am
Sumaroo , The US could easily kill every rag head over there in one hour . We chose not to do it because unlike the moronic radicals over there we can rationalize that other people have the right to believe as they will as long as they don’t try to force us to believe there way or die . The biggest mistake you have made is that you have left out God . He will send fire on the Muslims that attack Israel and destroy them . We don’t have to . So sop it up bud .
83 Nathan // Jan 25, 2007 at 5:49 am
Charles - Although I don’t agree with you about Jesus and some of your other views I must say I have the up most respect for you. I agree that the Arabs have foolishly left God out of the mix. What if America stops all this stuff anyways? What if we do take Iran out and they do nothing and the United States wins? Then is there no end game, or does it simply move down the timeline of life?
SUMAROO - do you realize that the USA could wipe the middle east away in less than 24 hours? Don’t count on your false prophet Mohammad to save you in the end because he is a fake. The Koran is a bunch of shit anyways and if your not intelligent enough to realize that then have fun in the Catholic version of hell. And brush up on your military knowledge if your going to start spounting off about “advanced 3 nuclear warheads are enough to destroy israel completely” what are you pretending to know there?
“why didnt they gave different state to jewish people in USA??” - let me ask you a better question…”Why did the Arabs give up their state in 1948 and not live in peace with Jews?”
84 sumaroo // Jan 25, 2007 at 11:36 am
Hey what do u mean by USA?? USA is not the only world powefull country that can control whole world..LOL. You know USA folks are one of the people who fears to die and thats why they will never start or reply to nuclear attack in favaour of israel. And even US replies than they also have to bear the nuclear attack from other countries. I know every country be destroyed as russia have more nuclear stockpile than us and the second thing that Middle east people dont want to live.. they prefered to die in the way of god and thats why you guys are fearing from them. Thats why no one from usa or israel had done sucide attack yet..!! Wakeup man.. US is nothing coz US wants to live and middle-east wants to die.. Who gona save USA from the nuclear attack of other countries?? Only world trade center attack was horrible to usa than you can imagine the nuclear attack effect… Even usa is not able to beat iraq than how can they beat other countries??? Coz US knows that if they attack other countries than they have to bear more lost not the other countries!! I dont want to do the comment but it is time to accept the truth for you. Dont live in dream… accept the truth..
85 Nerah // Jan 25, 2007 at 11:57 pm
The only reason islamist are not afraid to die is because they believe killing infidels… ie. unbelievers, is the only way they can get to heaven, unfortunately they are wrong…They will go to hell for such things , they need to turn and repent and stop quickly before it is to late!!!!
the differance is us Christians believe Yeshua already died for us and anyone else who believes in HIM INCLUDING YOU MUSLIMS, so we get to go to heaven because of HIS (Yeshua’s) death! WE ARE NOT AFRAID TO DIE EITHER! so give up trying to scare us!
also the Jewish people are also waiting for their Messiah to come back they to will be blessed and all the land of Israel!!!! Their Messiah is Yeshua also!!!!, We know what the Torah and the new covenant says, you are wasting your time!!!!!
86 Charles Wesley // Jan 26, 2007 at 2:31 am
Sumaroo ,
I sure hope that the education of the masses will someday include the Muslim countries . Most educated Muslims go to school in the USA . We don’t have to commit suicide attacks fellow . We are smarter than that . We use our brain and build weapon systems to take care of our needs . We have never been so stupid as to resort to the tactics of a moron , nor does those Radicals that have been educated through our basic school systems . If you want to die to get 72 virgins , be advised that there will be no sex in heaven . For sure the Muslims intend to start a nuke war and will get one . That kind of thing will kill people all over the world from fallout . Iran is already on the nuke target list and m Muslims will not be spared . You might get more than you bargained for . I am glad that you have revealed your true feelings so that the National Security that are surveilling this site can keep an eye on you now .
If you don’t like us now you don’t want to make us mad , you sure won’t like us then .
87 sumaroo // Jan 26, 2007 at 11:33 am
Heloo… I know you are so stupid and I am againg believing that you are neighter jewish not christian. If you think that there is no sex after death than it is completely wrong coz christian believes that adam and eve had sex in heaven and thats why they thrown away from the heaven.!! but the muslims believe that they were not allowed to eat the grain and they ate it because of setan force to eve and they did shit in the heaven so they were thrown. If you believe that there will be no sex in heaven than you are decling bible coz christian believes that. I think you might be neigther Jew nor christian and muslim. All the religion believes in prophets (adam, ismael, isha, (christ), daud(david) muses (musha) but they have different believes and you know why god sent different prophets at different time?? All religions teaching the same thing but the people make and compare the rules of religion to accomodate thir self.
I dont think that there are true bible or torah believer in the world at the present. You have written the upper foolish comment to prove your selfishness to live It means that you will never sacrifise your life in the way of ur religion as so you are not true religion believer. You dont ahve right to be called ur self jewish, christian or muslim what ever you are. You are completely ignorance, illitrate about the knowledge of religions and thats why making comments like upperside.
How long can you live in the word 60, 70, 80, 90 or maximum 100 years not the whole life or forever.. Oneday everyone have to die and the god sent us on the earth only to worship him not to do anything else. But you like world and otherthings thats why you fear to die. That is the weakest point of all jewish or christian community and remember that the people in the past war who dident fear to die alway survived.
You are a person with no religion or no believance in GOD. You are the person who dont want to go in heaven.
I believe in Jewish as (bani israel– follower of muses) I believe in christian(who was believeing in ISA(christ) ) but the all religion was true on that time and all the books were true on that time. Coz now all the folks had changed books to accomodate thier selves and coz now i dont believe in the present books that was come before. Well i am not telling you that everyone have to convert to islam. We have only right to imform you about the real religion and the relation between the past and future religions. But if you dont accept tham as before than you will be responsible for your self on the day of judgement.
As god sent the different prophets on different times and Sent the lot of books and the main are (Taurat wid muses (torah) zaboor (wid daud (david) inzil (bible wid isha(christ) and dont want to write the name of last book and only present true book on liers site like you…. to say the truthfullness of world and God. But I know that you will also make a foolish comment in reply to this post coz You all guys have no religion….. So please reply this post negatively if you dont believe in prophets or in GOD.
88 sumaroo // Jan 26, 2007 at 11:46 am
Why the jewish are against muslims today (since the birht of israel) ? coz they have clashes for the land!! Why the muslims are against christians coz they put christian put the jewish to make always fight between jewish and arabs and to get the benifit of OIL and sell of weapon? So what do you call it religious fight?? WoW grate… WeLl I dont want to make any new comment on all these things coz it is timeless and useless matters and everything is decided by god as before from the beggining.
I know that we already had lost holy land as propheciancy and i also know that it will be again us and than again we will lose it. as prophecy.. so leave it Now good bye from the site coz I know all the guys on this site are zionist ( I have studied about the rules of zion) and they are the enemy of mankind even Jewish, christian and muslims… They are also enemy of them selves…. god gave you true way…
Bye and lets see what is happening next practicaly not by comments or thinksssssssss………….
89 Nerah // Jan 26, 2007 at 9:02 pm
Duh, this site is called Zionist .com, hmmm?obviously this kind of person only comes on here to harrass others it is a waste of time to even converse with them unless you feel the Holy Spirits tug that maybe they are open in some way, and some truth may impact them. This guy however seems uneducated and warped, he can’t even spell simple words.
90 Joyce // Jan 27, 2007 at 6:41 am
Amen Nerah, he definitely doesn’t make any sense. And as you said it’s just a waste of time to try to converse with him. Because he’s definitely not open to the truth.
91 joe // Jan 30, 2007 at 7:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34bVcLMrcRs&eurl=
92 Victor Passenheim // Feb 4, 2007 at 4:54 am
My props to you guys: Nathan, Charles, Nerah, Joyce, et al. You wore sumaroo down and that’s not an easy thing to do with God hating fanatics who will not listen to reason.
93 Victor Passenheim // Feb 4, 2007 at 4:59 am
joe,
I’ll tell you what Israel, and the rest of the world for that matter, should be willing to do to “end the conflict”(youtube link): stop rewarding terrorists!!!!
PA = PLO = terrorist organization
Abbas = ‘moderate’ Arab leader = Holocaust denier = co-founder of PLO = terrorist leader
‘Palestinian’ people = overwhelmingly elect Hamas = overwhelmingly approve of terrorist organization.
And so it is with most of the Arab world. Visit memri.org.il and see for yourself.
94 Nerah // Feb 5, 2007 at 1:31 am
Amen Victor,
long time no chat!
Joe,
Yes we need to all be Echad =a United one, But giving up Israel’s land is not the way to do it. So now that they are all waving flags, singing, and kissy, kissy,= which is sweet. (don’t get me wrong, I love praise and worship) Can they get the terrorists out? Can they get the land RIGHTLY PROMISED to the JEWISH PEOPLE BY GOD back!!! Can they stop the killing of innocent peoples? Because contrary to what people think Israeli SOLDIERS(note I said SOLDIERS,( only the muslims have terrorists in this war), are not killing innocent people!) God is the ultimate authority not man so who cares what a youtube video says, an islamic king and and a bunch of youths who don’t have a clue? The way to become Echad= a united one, and have eventual peace is through Yeshua/Jesus, which I believe we quite possibly will not have a true peace for quite a while: until Messiah comes ie..Yeshua or possibly until the Mellinial Kingdom. and guess what from the look of things…
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work….Revelation22:11
95 Nerah