As if its first two reports regarding the summer’s Lebanon war were not enough, Amnesty International this week released a third report making sure everyone is clear that it believes Israel is guilty of war crimes.
Like the first two reports, this third installment is full of unsubstantiated accusations, Hizb’allah-tinted propaganda, and complete ignorance of the kind of urban warfare Israel is being forced into by its Islamic enemies.
According to the new report, Israel carried out “indiscriminate” attacks against the Lebanese - meaning Israel didn’t care if it killed armed Hizb’allah fighters or cute 12-year-old girls. Of course, anyone who has bothered to acquaint themselves with Israel - with the underlying fear of international public opinion and drives its diplomatic decisions and the impossible level of morality that its people see themselves as bound to - knows that Amnesty’s charge is simply not true.
Furthermore, the “human rights” organization says Israel employed massively disproportionate force in dealing with its enemy.
Does this make sense to anyone? I mean, is Israel the only nation on earth that is not allowed to engaged in the obviously necessary practice of employing greater force than your enemy in order to win a war? It is a good thing Amnesty was not around to hamper Allied war efforts during World War II, or a good portion of the world would today be speaking German.
The report then goes on to turn its favorite screw - Israel’s use of cluster bombs against targets in civilian areas.
First of all, it is a known military fact that cluster bombs are by far the most effective weapon against mobile missile crews. Second, it is not Israel’s fault that Hizb’allah missile crews operated almost exclusively out of civilian areas. What was Israel supposed to do? Just sit back and ignore the bombardment of its own civilians because Hizb’allah had so cleverly shielded itself among civilians? An accurate reading of the Fourth Geneva Convention provides Israel full legitimacy in striking this enemy, even if it meant mass civilian casualties.
Amnesty needs to put things in perspective, and remember that if not for Hizb’allah instigating the conflict and attacking a neighboring state from inside towns and villages, every single one of those dead Lebanese civilians would be alive today.
Naturally, Amnesty tried to cover itself by claiming that there was “no evidence of Hizb’allah action” at many of the civilian sites attacked by Israel. But, of course, there would not be. As mentioned before, the Hizb’allah crews were highly mobile, and quickly left, or tried to leave, after striking Israel.
Furthermore, the deaths of civilians and subsequent international condemnation of Israel is a PR victory for Hizb’allah. Atop their agenda would be making sure there was no evidence of terrorist activity from sites later hit by the Israelis. Amnesty is smart enough to realize this. If only it were objective enough to care…
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27 comments so far ↓
1 Charles Wesley // Nov 23, 2006 at 6:43 pm
The United Nations is an antisemitic organization that is cowardly when it comes to opposing Islam . They have knuckled under to the Radicals threat of terror . I am ashamed that the USA is part of them . I guess that it is good to be a member so we can VETO antisemitic actions against Israel . How can that Muslim (Annan) poke his face in front of CNN cameras and spout his hypocrisies against Israel .
Why can’t Israel defend themselves however they can ? Annan has tried to hold Israel ’s arms behind their back while his buddies uses brass knuckles on them . How can he present himself as an impartial moral world leader .
I have only heard sympathy for Hezbollah and Lebanon . If they didn’t stage the rocket launchers at the nurseries and schools so as to martyr those kids the collateral damage would be lessened. What kind of people would purposely kill their own children to spite someone else . They are like Roaches and should be mashed . Go Israel Full throttle .
Syria is the head of that snake being fed by Iran.
2 Victor Passenheim // Nov 23, 2006 at 8:08 pm
Amnesty, yet another wicked organization with blood on its hands!
Charles,
I wholeheartedly agree! I would add that if Amnesty has any offices in Israel it would just be so great those offices to be ‘mistaken’ for terrorist shelters (which isn’t that what they are anyway!) and the IDF took them out.
Of course, it won’t happen, but it’s still good to dream…
3 Rev. Daniel H. Shaffer, Jr. // Nov 23, 2006 at 9:57 pm
Isreal should buy air time on American T.V. and run the rocket attacts on Isreal to show that no military units were targeted only civilians were made to suffer. Run this for about two hours during prim time on all 4 majior networks.
4 Marsha Carol Watson // Nov 24, 2006 at 5:44 am
Israel has to do what Israel has to do….All who fight against Israel are fighting against Almighty God!
The world may hate the Nation of Israel and its Chosen ones, but Israel’s enemies will come to nought. This is according to the Word of God. He is in charge and He alone has the final call…..
5 Charles Wesley // Nov 24, 2006 at 9:38 pm
The ROAD MAP to peace is a fools path . The only peace it will bring is the eradication of Israel and that is not the implied intent . Israel is liable for their own existence so defend your self.
6 joseph somers // Nov 27, 2006 at 3:19 pm
In your article “Israel-bashing - Amnesty can’t get enough” you make assertion that Amnesty International did not respond in the same effect against US Forces. The difference is that US Forces actually entered the country and risked their soldiers’ lives. They didn’t just bomb. You say “First of all, it is a known military fact that cluster bombs are by far the most effective weapon against mobile missile crews. Second, it is not Israel’s fault that Hizb’allah missile crews operated almost exclusively out of civilian areas. What was Israel supposed to do? ” They were supposed to send in troops to fight their enemy, not just bomb the country, harming thousands of civilians with relatively few military causalities. Military ethics that most militaries abide by state that invading countries must put the lives of the civilians of the country being invaded, above the lives of their own soldiers. Israel put their soldiers’ lives at a minimized risk and the civilian population of Lebanon at an amplified risk. Israel has the ability to use its power justly in a concentrated and calculated manner, not indiscriminately. You also say that anyone that has “bothered to acquaint themselves with Israel…knows that Amnesty’s charge isn’t true” because “…the impossible level of morality that its people see themselves as bound to…” Well what about the 1983 invasion of Lebanon. Although distinct in many respects the assault had an equal disregard for human life. This draconian style invasion killed 15,000 civilian and injured 30,000. Then Israeli forces bombed, shelled, and starved the Beirut. It is difficult to claim morality under those circumstances. Amnesty International is not an antisemetic organization as some have claimed in response to this article. The world saw the actions of Israel as unjust, period. Blind nationalism is not healthy for any country. As Jefferson said: “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.”
7 Joyce // Nov 27, 2006 at 9:59 pm
It’s the same old song and dance, as usual Israel is to blame for everything. It doesn’t seem to matter that they had two soldiers kidnapped, and that their civilians were killed by unprovoked rocket attacks. And that Hezbollah deliberately, put the lives of the Lebanese civilians in the line of fire. Hezbollah are the ones responsible for the deaths of the Lebanese civillians, not Israel. I can’t believe any country, if they were attacked, would not defend themselves. That would be ridiculous. All of the death, and destruction, lies squarely on the shoulders of Hezbollah. And it’s about time, that Amnesty International, and the world, recognizes this.
8 Victor Passenheim // Nov 28, 2006 at 11:09 pm
Joseph,
I love how you turn a blind eye to the terrorists and terrorist abetting people, the Lebanese, who started this.
Let me ask you, how long did it take for Hezbollah to arm itself with over 10,000 Kassam rockets? You’re going to tell me that the Lebanese did not know what was going on? The Lebanese are by no means innocent, and a substantial portion are, in fact, supporters of terrorism.
I won’t rehash what’s already been said:
http://www.zionist.com/2006/08/17/you-sleep-with-missiles-you-wake-up-dead
and here,
http://www.zionist.com/2006/09/08/lebanon-embargo-reveals-worlds-blindness
Never mind the fact the UNIFIL was there since 1978 established for the very purpose of keeping something like this from happening! Not only did they not stop this, but they were unquestionably willful accomplices, and also did NOTHING when the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped.
I’ve got to tell you, you are quite the hypocrite. Judging by your name, you are either American or British. No “sane” country would sit idly by while a terrorist entity tries to annihilate its citizens, especially when that entity demonstrates that it will not relent until it has destroyed their people.
If you were in the shoes of the Israelis living in the north, you wouldn’t be saying “Gee, I hope we are very careful with the way we stop Hizbollah and if they happen to embed themselves with Lebanese civilians then it would be better that our soldiers would risk their lives (because of course, what else are they there for) rather than kill a few hundred “innocent” civilians in order to destroy the terrorist infrastructure that has Lebanon “by the balls” and threatens our democratic way of living on a daily basis…. After all, we can put our lives on hold indefinitely while our military does ever so careful surgical strikes…”
What a joke! You would NEVER say that. Not if you’re a decent, moral human being, of course. And any platitudes otherwise are just lies.
In fact, if you really cared about the Lebanese, you would realize that what Israel was accomplishing in destroying their terrorist infrastructure was just the medicine they needed:
http://www.zionist.com/2006/07/15/israel-is-assisting-lebanese-democracy
and (do read the embedded links within these articles, by all means!) also,
http://www.zionist.com/2006/07/15/israels-offensive-is-working
But then, this really wasn’t about “showing concern for the Lebanese people”, but rather about “let’s take another opportunity to bash Israel”.
Newsflash: Far too transparent.
It’s people like who facilitate an environment which gives rise to crises such as the recent war between Israel and Hezbollah/Lebanon:
http://www.zionist.com/2006/07/19/worlds-broken-promises-led-to-fighting
P.S.: Ryan, thank you for the sidebar topical organizations on the website.
9 Victor Passenheim // Nov 28, 2006 at 11:22 pm
Oh,
A couple more good articles. Read and learn:
http://www.zionist.com/2006/08/08/beirut-trying-to-deceive-world
and
http://www.zionist.com/2006/08/06/israel-needs-to-declare-war-on-lebanon
finally,
http://www.zionist.com/2006/08/17/you-sleep-with-missiles-you-wake-up-dead
Once again, compliments of Mr. Jones.
10 joseph somers // Nov 30, 2006 at 3:24 am
Mr. Passenhelm:
First off let me tell you that I have committed the foreseeable future of my life to the destruction of terrorism. It is something I take serous having come very close to loosing someone to it 5 years ago. I have been “in the shoes of the Israelis living in the north.”
You are right I am American but unfortunately I am not the one determining the strategy in which my country operates, and do not support its every move.
So you can call me a hypocrite, but I have and will continue to sacrifice much for this war on terrorism.
You also need to be weary of what you label as terrorism. When the formation of Hezbollah was in its early stages, in 1983, they bombed and killed 241 American servicemen. Is this terrorism? The Japanese did something very similar in WWII against troops and it was not labeled as terrorism. The enemies of America and Israel will not go “toe to toe” with our military forces, the will be defeated. This therefore breeds a new asymmetric warfare which must not be confused with terrorism. The Hezbollah militiamen that kidnapped the Israeli soldiers were taking part in a military operation. Unlike al-Qaeda, the purpose was not to inflict terror by filming a beheading or some other gory crime. My point is that, whether you believe Hezbollah’s actions were terrorist actions or not (although I am sure you do) understand that not all fighting done outside the conventional realm is rightly labeled as terrorism.
That being said I at no point was challenging the actions of Israel to go after Hezbollah. It is not for me to say. But I think it is fair to say that method in which Israel went about it was wrong. I expect my President to put the soldiers of my Army under those of Iraqi noncombatants, even the ones that curse them as they pass and the ones that are being held as POW. That is how just war is conducted. If you are in disagreement with this you should study the history of war. The reason my country, and most others, have adopted this is due just as much to ethics as it is to tactics. By treating the noncombatants and the enemy in the same manner, which Israel did, you create more dissention. Look at the cover from the economist and you will see the result:
http://www.economist.com/images/20060819/20060819issuecovUS160.jpg
From purely a tactical standpoint the majority believe that Hezbollah was the winner of this war, not Israel. True, in the short term there was peace and the objective was met. What, however did Israel achieve in the long term? They lost international support, something that is very crucial for them. Hezbollah gained even more legitimacy within Lebanon and outside the Middle East.
Call me a hypocrite and write this off to “another opportunity to bash Israel.” I do not judge Israel on anything besides its actions. To say other wise because I have a different opinion is short sided and simplistic. But I challenge you to step outside your world. In challenging what I wrote, you failed to cite anything besides Zionist.com articles. Why don’t you go out and do your own new articles? I read news papers from all different countries to get as many perspectives as I can. I urge you to take a more pluralistic approach. Think outside the box on this issue. The reason I came to this website was because I am truly committed getting all sides of the story. I believe that the Arab-Israeli conflict is plays a role in terrorism against my country. I am trying to fully understand both sides. I respect what is said here, That is the reason I read the posts and wrote the article. I challenge you, Mr. Passenhelm to do the same. Like I said in my last post, blindly following your country is not always a good thing, you often need to challenge it. Thank you for your time. Joe.
11 Charles Wesley // Dec 1, 2006 at 5:07 am
Mr. Somers ,
War is terror no matter how you conduct it . There is no humane way to kill people . To be a peace keeping force and to be singled out only because you support Israel and the attackers run and hide among non combatants is terror . As far as treatment of the noncombatants in Iraq ,point that individual out if you can . Our soldiers tried that at the beginning of the occupation . If you allow bad actors to co-exist in your neighborhood with you ,then you will rate the same treatment .
I did notice that you did not mention the Bible as a source of information to understand the reason for the conflicts both present and future with regards to Israel . The Bible will elude to you the reason for the Jewish / Muslim conflicts and
brief you on the culmination of events to the end . By the way Israel has never enjoyed international support ,only condemnation . You can be sure that anything that’s published today is only somebody’s opinion ,but the Bible still stands as the unabridged truth .
12 Nathan // Dec 3, 2006 at 12:49 am
Mr. Somers — Hizbullah is a terrorist organization engaged in terrorist activities. The murder of our soldiers in Beirut 1983 was an act of terrorism. The United States was not engaged in any type of warfare against the Hizbullah at the time of the attack. The Japanese attacked us as a nation fighting an alliance with another nation in a world war; I find that these two issues are completely different and thus do not find that part of your argument valid. Please do not confuse senseless sadistic acts against other human beings with “asymmetric” warfare. Arabs are barbarians, their actions are barbaric and they are not intelligent enough to fight an asymmetric war anyway, let alone could they define it.
13 Joyce // Dec 3, 2006 at 2:18 am
Mr. Somers,
I definitely believe that the killing of our 241 American soldiers was terrorism. After all they were there as a peacekeeping force, not to fight a war. And also you said,
” The enemies of America and Israel will not go “toe to toe” with our military forces, they will be defeated. This therefore breeds a new asymmetric warfare which must not be confused with terrorism.”
So are you saying that gives them the right to attack our soldiers, and Israel the way they did? And let’s not forget that they attacked our soldiers, and Israel without any provocation. Not only that, the way they attacked Israel was cowardly, and reprehensible, firing rockets from civilian neighborhoods knowing that they were deliberately putting them in the line of fire. So not only did they use terrorism against our soldiers, and Israel, they also inflicted terrorism against the Lebanese civilians, by using them as shields. And to me that’s not assymmetric warfare, it is terrorism.
14 joseph somers // Dec 4, 2006 at 6:52 am
Although this is amusing, it is getting old and time consuming. So this will be my last post here, but I will read responses to it.
Again my point, as I had said, was simply to across that Hezbollah is not your typical organization. They have democratically elected government officials and have a uniformed military force. They are not Al-Qaeda. They do not cut off heads. They target military. They denounced the attacks against the WTC towers but not against the Pentagon. Since there is no black and white definition of terrorism, how you define them is subjective. In addition the majority of the world does not consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization. The United States, Israel, the Netherlands, Australia and Canada are the only nations that label them as such. Israel killed exponentially more civilians, approximately 1100, while Hezbollah killed approximately 43. This is odd considering Israel claimed over and over that Hezbollah was targeting civilians and Israel was not.. Call them terrorist, they probably are. Just understand that the situation is extremely ambiguous. Understand that much of the world considered Israel’s actions this past summer closer to terrorism than those of Hezbollah (whether you do or not). Again, I am not arguing against Israel using military action, just the way in which they did it. I am not arguing that Hezbollah isn’t a terrorist group; just that most of the rest of the world classifies them differently. To overcome this Arab-Israeli conflict you must step outside your own shoes, understand your enemy; understand where they are coming from (whether where they are coming from is just or unjust in your view). You say that Israel was attacked “without any provocation.” Understand that many people of the world disagree with this statement. I have, in my past posts stated why I think the conduct of the Israeli military was unjust so there is no point of revisiting that.
I would also argue that Hezbollah did not act cowardly. They fought and did will against Israeli troops in close combat. I argue that Israel was much more reluctant to go face to face with its enemy and opted for a more safe way of combat in which civilians paid the price for. They hid 10,000 feet in the air, dropped bombs and killed and avoidable amount of civilians.
Nathan:
Who do you think you are? “Arabs are barbarians, their actions are barbaric and they are not intelligent enough to fight an asymmetric war anyway, let alone could they define it.” I know plenty of Arabs more intelligent than myself. It is mentalities like this that keep conflicts going. I can not express the disappointment that someone probably educated would say this. Belittling a race of people will get you nothing. What would happen if our leaders subscribed to this mindset of one race being superior to another? Look at the history books. Use your head, that was the most belligerent and unintelligent statement I have read on this website. Your racist statement only hinders your argument. Please exclude yourself from future discourse addressed to me. Grow up.
15 Victor Passenheim // Dec 4, 2006 at 12:05 pm
Joseph,
You’re ludicrous. First of all let’s make some glaringly obvious to anyone else distinctions:
Who started the conflict? Who were they targeting? What would you expect your government to do faced with this same situation? Who did nothing to prevent the conflict from occurring?
As for your argument that they “have democratically elected government officials and have a uniformed military force”. So did Nazi Germany. Just because a nations officials were “democratically elected” does not preclude them from being savages and murderers. Which speaks to my next point. Just because a nation has a democratic form of government doesn’t mean that nation automatically makes moral choices. Take a page out of history for goodness sake. How many empires and governments, etc., have toppled not because they were conquered or vanquished, but rather because their corruption destroyed them.
BTW, Hamas was also democratically elected.
There would not have been as many casualties had the Lebanese chosen to elect moral leaders rather than known terrorists who construct their terrorist bases in the midst of population centers. They should count themselves fortunate that more were not killed.
Gee, and what are the beautiful Hizbullah doing right now? Yes, they are rearming.
Israel is never the aggressor and has the thankless job of living amongst terrorist nations who are constantly devising ways to annihilate their peaceful neighbor. On top of that, all they get is condemnation from that viper’s den known as the UN. Checkout www.unisevil.com for their dirty laundry list.
And worst than racist, you too are evil.
16 joseph somers // Dec 4, 2006 at 6:45 pm
Call me evil and a racist but I have said nothing negative about any race. I have simply critiqued Israel’s conflict with Hezbollah this past summer and argued that it was conducted unjustly. In addition I have said that you must understand where the other side is coming from inorder to overcome conflict and provided some of the arguments. I have never claimed support for Hezbollah because I do not support them or agree with what they do. Terrorism refers to a very specific style unjust war. It has some very specific traits. Not all unjust violence can be written off as terrorism. Again call them terrorist thats fine, but not everyone has this mentality. Terrorism has nothing to do with the morality of the actions.There have been plenty of horrific, gruesome actions in history that do not fall under the realm of terrorism. I am not justifying anything by saying they are not terrorist acts.
You ask who started the conflict. It did not start this past summer. I know you are not that shortsighted. This conflict is thousands of years old. You can play the “he started it – she started it” game all day long but you aren’t going to get anywhere. I wish Israel who claims to hold the moral high ground would work more diplomatically for a solution rather than military action. I understand the argument against this. I have read what you have to said and I disagree as you disagree with me. That isn’t racism, its a difference of opinion.
What I saw this past summer, from both sides, was disheartening. Israel should be the leader.
I am offended that I have come across as racist and evil to you. Apparently I offended you. I at no time made any blanket negative statements about any race, so I truly do not know where you are coming from.
17 Joyce, // Dec 4, 2006 at 11:27 pm
Mr. Somers,
How can you say that you don’t support, or agree, with what hezbollah does? You need to go back and read your posts again, because except for blaming Israel for their conduct of the war, that is all you seem to have done. Where did you get your information about how military ethics, “must put the lives of the civilians of the country being invaded, above the lives of their own soldiers”? I believe that Israel minimized the risks to civilians lives as much as possible. But I don’t believe that they should do that, at the expense of the lives of their own soldiers. Also I see that you have avoided commenting on the statements about how hezbollah, deliberately positioned themselves in the midst of the civilian population, to fire their rockets at Israel. Knowing that they were deliberately putting the civilians in harms way. So unless the Lebanonese civilians were willing to be used as shields, that in itself was a terrorist act against the Lebanese civilians, and hezbollah were the ones responsible for their deaths. And to dismiss such actions of hezbollah, by not even commenting about them concerning this, says a lot. And about those horrific, and gruesome things, that have happened in the past, to me they were terrorist acts. And it doesn’t matter if the rest of the world agrees, or not, with what’s happened in the past, or what’s happened in the present, as being terrorism. That doesn’t change the fact that it is. I don’t let what the world thinks about terrorism dictate my feelings about that. I’m able to discern for myself what terrorism is without the help of the rest of the world. And as far as Israel working for a diplomatic solution, they have tried to do that, but they can’t reason with people who want to wipe them off the face of the earth And anyway why should they that is their land. God gave Israel that land, and no one except for God has the right to take it from them.
18 Tired of Joseph Somers BS (Yeah from Nathan!) // Dec 10, 2006 at 1:04 am
I am telling the truth about a race of people that is hell bent on ruling the world with a Muslim fist, not on my watch Joe. The truth hurts and it’s hard for somebody like you that has either a gross lack of intelligence or maybe you’re a Hizbullah supporter and that is affecting your brain patterns. A people that cuts of hands for stealing things and heads and the like is no culture I want to associate with. Their plan has been executed with the help of countries like Iran, Syria, and Russia. The Arabs use their oil as a weapon, control their women’s rights, more to the point their citizens rights to do anything. My God sir Iran has banned high speed internet connections, why would they do that? They are evil people and they want barbaric old ways of doing things. No future, no hope, only faith in the state and that guy they call Allah and his assistant Muhammad. I wish nothing more than to live in peace but they must evolve and move beyond their medieval ways I hope using the word medieval doesn’t label me a racist. This war was started by MUSLIM ARABS buddy and its going to be ended by the United States of America someday. And I never said anything about “mindset of one race being superior to another” as you stated in your discourse that was addressed to me. Saying the Arabs are barbarians is merely accurately describing their mindset towards the modern world. They want to destroy it and barbarize it until the west and Jews and Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and Taoists don’t exist anymore and the call of prayer sounds out across the planet, which is reality Joe. We never asked for this, and more to the point the Jews never asked for it either. One question though Joe…in the 20th century how many Arabs were awarded the Nobel Prize? Don’t lie either because I know the answer.
19 Charles Wesley // Dec 10, 2006 at 1:33 am
Tell it like it is Nathan ! Quit beating around the Bush . What are you trying to say ,spit it out .
20 Jacob // Dec 17, 2006 at 10:56 am
Nathan,
Im impressed how concerned you are about the rights of Arab citizents, I only wish you cared some much about their lives. 1200 dead Lebanese, I don’t think you are mourning for them or the thousands of dead Palestinians.
Israel is not a victim, they are agressors. I think all of you some what extremists and full of hate. You don’t open your eyes and see that no one is innocent in this cycle of violence. All of you crazed religious zelots on both sides are whats wrong with the peace process, Do you really think God gave you that land and that you are the “chosen” people? Every maniac extremist claims to be “chosen” by God. You were chosen alright but by the United States not God.
Peace and concessions are the only way Israel will be free of violence, If Israel declares war on all its neighbors again, this time I think the results may not be what you expect.
21 Nathan for President 2020 // Dec 19, 2006 at 3:48 am
Jacob - your right Jacob the Pals and the Lebanese are nothing that I lose sleep over. What I lose sleep over at night is that from Morocco to Iran and from Turkey to Sudan there lives a race of people that hate another race so much they are willing to blow themselves up and blow their children up to destroy these peoples, Jews. And now these people Muslims if you will have come to bring there 12th century ways to America. No. That is my answer to that.
But I am not a “crazed religious zealot” as you refer to me in paragraph 2, but rather someone who has no religion in fact, only one belief in God himself, and a belief that a race of people who have suffered for thousands of years be allowed to live in peace.
Arabs are Nazis Mr. Jacob; the Grand Mufti of Palestine in the 1930’s and 40’s was the Uncle of Yassar Arafart who later invented the Pals and the PLO. Do you think that Arafart just learned the Nazi style hate on his own or had some help from the Nazis? Their hate has never died only its host, and the hate has been transferred down the line for quite some time.
So wake up buddy because the end of the world is quickly approaching. The question is are you going to be one of those people that pretends that Arabs are someday going to choose peace once Israel is gone. As a Christian you should know that Arabs and Muslims hate you more then they hate Jews.
And your last point about “peace and concessions are the only way Israel will be free of violence…” proves to me that you have either a gross lack of intelligence or you are one of those land for death people which would also indicate your gross lack of intelligence.
Happy Holidays
22 Nerah burning out reading Joseph // Dec 21, 2006 at 9:11 pm
Dear friends,
Spending time discussing with this man seems almost futile,
But he who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in darkness, does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eye. 1John2:11
seems Joseph has spent too much time in the dark and needs a candle, we could try to shine some light of prayer for him, if we dare have the heart after all his negative rhetoric about Israel.
Jacob, good news for you, some do care, even G-d
In that day Egypt will be like women, and will be afraid and fear because of the waving of the hand of the L-rd of hosts, which He waves over it. And the land of Judah will be a terror to Egypt; everyone who makes mention of it will be afraid in himself, because of the counsel of the L-rd of hosts which He has determined against it. In that day 5 cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear by the L-rd of hosts; one will be called the City of Destruction. In that day there will be an altar to the
L-rd in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the L-rd at its border. And it will be for a sign and a witness to the L-rd of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the L-rd because of the oppressoors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will He will deliver them. Then the L-rd will be known to Egypt and the Egyptians will know the
L-rd in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the L-rd and perform it. And the L-rd will strike Egypt, He will strike and HEAL it; they will return to the L-rd, and He will be entreated by them and heal them. In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egytians will serve the Assyrians.
In that day Israel will be one of the 3 with Egypt and Assyria- a blessing in the midst of the land, whom the L-rd of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My People, And Assyria the Work of My Hands, and ISRAEL MY INHERITANCE.” Isaiah 19:16-25 Claim that blessing instead of living in the curse. We do not hate people, just what they do, we love people and so does G-d our Father and Yeshua Our Messiah!
23 joseph // Dec 22, 2006 at 8:59 pm
Thank you. I have been led out of the darkness. Death to Muslims. I now have unconditional support of Israel.
24 Nerah // Dec 23, 2006 at 1:10 am
Joseph,
Support for Israel is great!For some reason I think you jest and you missed it clearly. If you did come out of the darkness that would be awesome! Praise G-d! I truly don’t want muslims to die I want them to come to the saving grace of Christ Jesus our Savior. Unfortunately if they continue blowing themselves or Israel up there will be no such luck either they will go to hell immediately upon suicide, (not heaven) or during war in Israel they may eventually be killed. and either way if they do not turn to Jesus and if you do not truly recieve Jesus as your savior You will un- fortunately have a sorry fate! How could you twist the loving, blessing, Words of G-d to such hatred….oh…not really a question. Twisted!
25 Marylin // Feb 5, 2008 at 7:29 am
Israel has been a sucker of this world for far too long..
It is time to leave political correctness where it belongs- in the dust bin.
Israel needs to finish off the “”palestinians”” once and for all.
International community shouldnt take precedence over Israel’s safety.
This is the best line of reasoning:
Israel gets “beatings” from the international community NOW.
Israel kicks out the “palestinians”, it WILL get more beatings.
Both sentences are reduced to the same consequences…
The only difference now is Israel coming out a winner!!!, “beatings” are immaterial, for the same reason that they occur both when Israel is being generous as well as when Israel is being defensive. Moreover the line of reasoning follows that the more Israel continue s to give in, the international community will increase the “beatings” all the more, and to the contrary Israel would spare itself much beatings if it took bold actions , yes it would get scrutiny and the cold shoulder, but this would not last, or at least not for long, once everyone has settled down the only thing that would remain is Israel’s victory! Where is if Israel remains passive, international “beatings” will never cease to stop so long as Israel remains immobile in its reactions towards palestinians.
The idea is quite basic, if Israel tends to its needs before others it will regain its respect from the global community, but if Israel doesnt stand up for itself the international community will keep giving it crap! There is nothing new here, neither is it a secret.
People will respect you only as much as you respect yourself!
If you think little of yourself, others will too. If you project strong confidence others will regard you as somebody who is not to be reckoned with. And this is no different with nations. A nation is a body of people who sets the standards for how it is going to be treated. It is a classic situation. When all is said and done nothing will be remembered except the present. The way i see it Israel has two options: Either it is going to continue on the same course looking into bogus peace negotiations which would essentially be a setback for Israel, and we’re back to square one again, and when i say square one, i mean that first square before the six day war, and Israel will continue to be ostracized by the international community, in a vulnerable position and an uncertain future it will live, OR,
Or,,, Israel will redirect itself from its present path that is only slopping downwards… get it together, foster the Israeli soul and raise its nation’s morale. But to do that it has to act and be bold!!!
Israel, kick some “palestinian” ass, the international community will give you beatings, regardless, so just do it, Do it!
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