Anyone who values his or her life would naturally not put themselves between wanted terrorist killers and the forces pursuing them. It would appear the “Palestinians” don’t value their lives very highly, despite their shrieking diatribes to the contrary, and should subsequently stop complaining when they are killed in the crossfire of a war their terrorist “heroes” started with Israel.
I mean, if you don’t want to die, then don’t purposely put yourself in the vicinity of men who are daily engaged in attacking and provoking a nation stronger than your own. Better yet, don’t allow those men to live and operate among you in the first place.
You can’t hail these killers as heroes, give them haven, and shield them with your body and then complain when you are caught up in the ensuing storm of violence.
Like Bush once said, either you are with the terrorists or you are with “us.” The Palestinian Arabs have made their choice. Time to let them live (or die) with the consequences.
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74 comments so far ↓
1 Marcel // Nov 19, 2006 at 3:30 pm
The Palestinian’s know how to play the game to win while Israel plays to lose.
The Islmaic hordes know Israel is too stupid weak and feeble to defeat them .
Israel has become a nation which snatches defeat out of the mouth of victory.
At one time they used to know how to fight and win wars but no longer.
All of israel’s enemies can see how mad the Jews have become for a false peace. They are so intoxicated that they can no longer see straight.
Delusions,madness and lies flow down from leaders Olmert Perets,Livini on a daily basis as truth.
Who but a suicidal and sick people relase Islamic terrorists from prison to kill Jews again and again in return for nothing but lies from the enemy ?
Who but fools continue to buy the same trojan horse packaged as peace ?
Who but an insane people continue to put their trust in a non producing peace plan ?
Who but a people devoid of any rational thought allow terrorist to grow and strengthen on their borders to please a world bent on fulfilling Hitlers final solution.
Who but faithless and fearful Jew’s can no longer say no ,Never Again and always capitulate to pressure which weakens Israel when it comes from a false ally and his Road Map.
The Palestinian’s hunman sheild plan worked well in Gaza, Israel retreated as Israel always does today.
Israel is the only one who cannot see how her pathetic weakness and appeasment has only incited another soon coming holocaust and nothing close to peace.
Neville Chamberlain has been upstaged by the self loathing Jewish leadership .
2 Victor Passenheim // Nov 19, 2006 at 3:55 pm
Blow them all up. They can’t wait for their 72 virgins.
This is what serving a devil god like Allah gets you.
3 Joanna // Nov 19, 2006 at 9:30 pm
Ryan….fantastic! Thank you! We all try and make sophisticated and complicated arguments about this whole issue and, really, we just need to lay it on the line in all of its ugliness.
I have to say “shrieking diatribes” is my personal favorite…..
4 CALLIE // Nov 20, 2006 at 7:11 am
My good God, listen to this evil one speak: “Blow them all up!”
And you DARE to speak of God and the scriptures. Truly you are a most benevolent DEMON, victor my boy.
All the jewish atheist israelis talk like that. I wouldn’t doubt you are one of them.
Allyn is right about you.
5 Ed // Nov 20, 2006 at 5:56 pm
Some people seem to do what they can to cause themselves trouble. The Palestinians are one of those groups. George W. has made some major errors in trying to pay off these groups that are demon worshippers. One does not make friends with those types. Jesus died for all, but not all are willing to accept such a great sacrifice.
Since George W. started this whole campaign to force Israel to divide her land ( a major error to begin with), we have had nothing but trouble in the once Great USofA. We fight a war with no end in Iraq. We have had increasing hardships in weather. The Republicans were run out of office due to corruption. Now, we have the liberals taking over. We just switched parties from what was considered conservative. We are not Independent.
6 Victor Passenheim // Nov 20, 2006 at 6:03 pm
Read the Bible, Callie!
Slander is not befitting a “Christian” lady like yourself.
7 Mike // Nov 20, 2006 at 6:54 pm
Brother, your commentary is right on target, as usual.
If rockets are raining down on innocent Israelis and a bunch of “innocent” Palestinian civilians surround a building the terror attacks are being launched from, are they “innocent” from that point forward? Not in my book. They are enemy combatants at that point, supporters of hands that spill the blood of innocents, which God hates, as seen in Proverbs 6:17.
Keep telling it like it is, Ryan! We need more men like you in these trying times!
8 5th of November // Nov 20, 2006 at 8:17 pm
It’s all about the Middle East in the news today. However, Iraq is a diversion. As the army attacks Iraq, the US gov’t erodes rights at home by suspending habeas corpus, stealing private lands, banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon, rigging elections, conducting warrantless wiretaps and starting 2 illegal wars based on lies. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier) and the US will invade Iran, (on behalf of Israel).
Final link (before Google Books bends to gov’t demands and censors the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0
9 Marsha Carol Watson // Nov 20, 2006 at 9:15 pm
Ryan, Joanna and Mike—DITTO!!!!!
10 marcel // Nov 20, 2006 at 9:20 pm
5 Ed
We can se the sureness of God’s word to Abraham ;
I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.
There is no amount of prayer and fasting that will remove this curse ,only his immediate turn around will save his cursed soul.
Because of the evil Road Map ,everything this president touches is cursed.
He has brought a curse upon his head as Zechariah 12;3 states.
Everything is in a downhill spiral here in America and in Iraq ,but the liars and spin masters easliy sell their illusions to the sheeple headed for slaughter.
America’s days are numbered as God tires of the arrogant empire’s incessant interference in His Israel and America’s lack of repentance.
Sadly ,with all the evidence and failed Oslo ,failed Ziini,failed Wye ,failed Mitchell , failed Sharm El Sheikh, failed Aquaba,failed Road Map ,ISRAEL fails to WAKE UP and escape this covenant with death and hell.
The nation of Israel is truly in a comatose state and only Hashem can save His people.
11 CALLIE // Nov 20, 2006 at 10:34 pm
5th of Novermber makes pretty good sense to me!
Seems to me while we are fighting for israel, we are losing our freedoms right in our own homeland.
What are you all gonna do when your temple is built nor NOT built and you find you have all been deceived.
BTW victor, I will not MIS-READ my bible like you MIS-READ everything.
I am everybit more of a Christian Woman than you could ever dream of being an earthling.
You’re either from isreal or mars!
take your pick, victor!
12 Charles Wesley // Nov 21, 2006 at 2:13 am
Victor,
I believe that the radicals really wouldn’t mind if we blew them up . They seem quite happy doing it themselves . It’s
hard to tell the good ones from the bad ones . Isn’t that where you blow them all up and let God seperate them out ?
I do believe that Calli and Alli and Esau could better serve the Syrian angle to seperate Christian support for Israel than to build the faith of Christians . Why is that they are against Israel and the Temple?
13 Victor Passenheim // Nov 21, 2006 at 4:05 am
Charles,
They are against Israel and the Temple, because deep down inside they’ve never met one of God’s chosen people they didn’t hate. It’s all about hating what God loves and thereby opposing God Himself.
14 marcel // Nov 21, 2006 at 3:22 pm
callie wrote :
“Seems to me while we are fighting for israel, we are losing our freedoms right in our own homeland.”
Fighting for Israel ? Such lies so easily eaten up by the ignorant and decieved.
The U.S. is at the forefront in weakening and destroying Israel by the Road Map agenda of a New World Order globalist President.
The U.S arms Israel’s enemies out of greed and selfish, evil motives.
Egypt & Saudi Arabia are just a few who have been armed to the teeth with the best and latest U.S. weapons aimed at Israel.
It is easy to spot the wolves who dress a lambs .
They always balme the Jews for everything and are almost always silent when it comes to their Islamic cohorts from hell.
Notice how Callie blamed Israel for the loss of freedom in the U.S. ?
It’s her fellow wolf in sheeps clothing George who prepares the way for anti-christ here in America and around the world who betrays us and Israel.
They have the same father of lies which they serve with great zeal and loyalty.
Their time will come and there will be no escape .
15 Mike Mickey // Nov 21, 2006 at 4:33 pm
Marcel is correct, in my opinion, at least where his opinion of America fighting for Israel is concerned.
We’re hardly fighting for Israel these days! That may well be why the barbarian hordes are gathering against our nation in droves, forcing us to lose some of our rights and privileges.
If we were truly fighting for Israel, the United States would be safer by far than it presently is!
16 Charles Wesley // Nov 22, 2006 at 12:47 am
We have to bust up the Syrian -Iranian alliance or they will start all kinds of trouble . Iran would be the one to cripple and end their nuclear ambitions . We need to bulk up our armed forces to do just that , We are going to fight them soon ,but we are not ready now and they know that to be a fact ! Bush is going to have to eat his words /flip flop or what ever and start the draft. He needs to do that before it’s to late . Those unscrupulous bastards will be shooting at us from behind their wife, mother and kids again ,so I wouldn’t worry about a few killing a few by accident . So like the song (Bomb Iran) .
17 CALLIE // Nov 22, 2006 at 8:29 am
Nonsense marcel.
And you don’t know how to read words in a sentences, let alone decipher the meaning.
What makes you think the usa isn’t fighting for israel?
Are you out of your mind?
Of course they are fighting for isreal! don’t give all that horse manure - the same old dull tired cliche:
‘blame the jews for everything’
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The usa arming egypt and saudi arabia with the best weapons?? are you KIDDING ME?
Where in sam hill do you get your crazy information from? From the back panel of a Cereal Box? NO Doubt!
BTW, marcel, it is you in sheeps clothing ushering the anti-christ. It is you whose time will come and there will be NO escape for you.
Get real.
18 Victor Passenheim // Nov 22, 2006 at 8:31 am
Marcel, Mike Mickey - Thank you and right on! I second the motion!
Unfortunately, the ignorant can’t be made wise even if you try driving it into them with a 10 foot pole. Their evil opposition to God and His people makes me so sick, I don’t even want to respond anymore to their wicked lies. It is such a waste of my time! I’m only waiting for the day where they will have to answer to their Maker and finally reap their just rewards.
Charles,
That’s a great song! You are totally right.
On a similar note, I just read an article by Caroline Glick in the Jerusalem Post entitled “Our World: After the muses fall silent”. I wasn’t aware of some the information in this article on how the Muslims are systematically silencing their critics in Europe (not that there are many to begin with!).
It’s an excellent read. I hope Israel could only have the privilege of somehow voting somebody like her into power someday.
19 Victor Passenheim // Nov 22, 2006 at 9:20 am
To the Callies, Allys, and Esaus of the world,
The New Testament Basis for the Restoration of Israel
by Jan Willem van der Hoeven (International Christian Zionist Center)
link: http://www.ldolphin.org/vdh.html
20 hi5 // Nov 22, 2006 at 11:44 am
The only way not to die is Leave israel…..
21 CALLIE // Nov 22, 2006 at 8:53 pm
victor the antichrist wannabe:
“I’m only waiting for the day where they will have to answer to their Maker and finally reap their just rewards.”
Yeah victor, I can’t wait, either! I will be at the end of the light while you crawl and beg for forgiveness before your dark soul sends you to an abyss of cold, icy, hate-filled memories that YOU created on earth for the INNOCENT.
The USA/Canadian DEAD will most assuredly pay you a visit while you’re in your cold grey Hell. A Hell of your own making.
My conscience and living are clean and clear. I have nothing to fear from God. And I am not afraid to die.
You should be and you will be, my poor sad little boy.
22 Charles Wesley // Nov 22, 2006 at 9:57 pm
Victor,
I believe that Callie is a Muslim or Jehovas Witness . For sure she is a (Mortonite) dear old Allyn. She is only concerned for the poor Muslims . The funny thing is Arabs that have never seen a Jew hates them . Why ? Because God said they would . All the events of today indicates the Bible is the authentic word of God. No other utterance has laid out the future like the Bible . Yes Callie Jesus Christ isssssssssssss a JEW ……………………………………………………………………..
23 Sylvestre // Nov 22, 2006 at 10:17 pm
Evidence from the bible is no evidence at all, since the bible is a collection of religious allegories and myths. I realize that some people (perhaps Victor and Charles and the Watson lady is one of them) believe that the bible should be read litteraly. However, a large majority of Christians do not take the bible litteraly. To people who do not follow the bible, such as buddhists, atheists, agnostics, etc… you all may as well be quoting passages from Homer’s “The Illiad” and trying to pass it off as fact. Your religion is one of many. It is not the final word on metaphysical matters, or matters of the physical world either. It is not a book of immutable facts.
24 Callie // Nov 22, 2006 at 10:23 pm
My my my charles.
you are coming undone. Uraveling. I’m an arab, muslim, jehovah’s witness?
oooookee dokeee……it’s your deluded brain not mine.
Apparently I hit a nerve, charlie. You must be spittin’ mad to sink so low.
25 Callie // Nov 22, 2006 at 10:28 pm
Hey Allyn? Are you stil reading the posts?
charlie thinks I’m an arab. charlie thinks I’m a jehovah’s witness. charlie thinks I’m a muslim.
Allyn, it’s a shame you’re banned. Really. Now that you’re gone charlie is falling off the deep end.
26 Joyce // Nov 23, 2006 at 12:33 am
Sylvester,
As a Christian, I believe that the Bible is factual, and the true word of God. And to me it is the final word, and the only word that matters. And I do realize that there are other religions, and that they have their own beliefs. But that has nothing to do with the Bible being factual. All the Christians that I know do take the Bible literally. Of course, if your not a Christian it doesn’t have the same meaning to you, but it should. It doesn’t matter whether you, or anyone else believes the Bible is the true word of God or not, it doesn’t change the fact that it is.
27 Joyce // Nov 23, 2006 at 12:55 am
Callie,
As the saying goes, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s a duck ! And if your not a Muslim maybe you should be. Because all your loyalty and sympathy seems to be for them. After all I don’t see you getting all upset with Sylvester for what he said about the Bible. But you really got upset with Charles about the koran. As a Christian that makes no sense to me and it seems to show your true feelings.
28 Victor Passenheim // Nov 23, 2006 at 11:52 am
Sylvestre,
There are many Christian apologetics books out there, and books dealing with the accuracy and veracity of the Bible, should you care to read them. One that comes to mind is “Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell. Although, this is now a relatively old book. You can do a search online should you care to get to the bottom of this.
Charles,
Whatever Callie is, she definitely makes me laugh!!!
29 Victor Passenheim // Nov 23, 2006 at 11:54 am
Callie,
You should write horror movie scripts (LOL!!!!)
30 Charles Wesley // Nov 23, 2006 at 6:50 pm
Callie
You are quacking again. Joyce hit the nail on the head .
Victor,
I think Callie could write for Mad Magazine , that is if she isn’t too far out for them . I think she is a Koran toter.
31 Joyce // Nov 23, 2006 at 7:28 pm
Victor,
I agree, Callie can be pretty amusing at times, especially when someone gets her dander up. Anyway, I hope everyone has a Happy Thanksgiving.
God Bless.
32 CALLIE // Nov 24, 2006 at 2:50 am
Would you believe? Compared to YOU guys, sylvestre actually makes SENSE?
Why? Because people like you guys turn Christianity into a SHAM.
So maybe Slyvestre is so disenchanted with the likes of you, he can’t help but be disgusted with religion.
You make it a sick joke. You all should write horror stories and call it the King James Version part two.
Oh wait, you’ve done that already.
Since Allyn and Esau have gone, I notice that you guys have really fallen into the abyss. Or maybe you were all already there and Allyn and Esau caused you all to see a little bit of light?
Oh well. You’ve all slunked right back down into the mudd.
My dander up? Hardly.
33 CALLIE // Nov 24, 2006 at 3:17 am
BTW Joyce that was a good rebuke to sylvestre as I do not agree with him at all. I think sylvestre is an idiot.
I’m surprised victor and charlie don’t consider sylvestre a muslim.
34 Joyce // Nov 24, 2006 at 12:17 pm
Callie,
I’m glad that you don’t agree with Sylvestre, but you still didn’t explain why you got so upset with Charles’ comment about the koran? As a Christian I don’t understand why you would be upset. So I was just wondering if you could explain it to me? And also maybe you could explain how reading the Bible, and believing what the Bible says, turns Christianity into a sham? It seems me contradicting what the Bible says about Jesus’ Jewish descent, and about the Jews being God’s chosen people, and among other things, turns Christianity into a sham. So it seems to me, that is what does harm to Christianity. After all, seeing someone who is supposed to be a Christian contradicting God’s words, is what would be disenchanting to people. And it seems to me what you said about the KJV is making a joke of the Bible. How do you think that looks to people, for a Christian to do something like that? As far as Allyn, and Esau goes, there’s nothing special about them, they’re just people like everybody else. You seem to want to put them on pedestal like they are something to be worshipped. That is what I call sick and disgusting.
35 CALLIE // Nov 24, 2006 at 7:15 pm
I know nothing about the koran. I don’t know whay you are talking about when you say I’m upset about something charles said about the koran.
Where in any of my posts above do you see me getting angry at charles for something he said about the koran??
Just point one post out to me where this is so.
What is you point in saying I should be a muslim is I’m not. Well dear joyce if that is the bent you want to take then I guess all good Christains like myself SHOULD be muslims.
Again, you make no sense. You’re just hitting below the belt like the rest because for some reason you can’t stand that I care so much about the American and Canadian soldiers dying in Iraq and Afghanistan.
So you paint me as a muslim?
If you don’t understand why I am so upset I suggest you re-read ALL my posts. You have forgotten.
God says DO NOT KILL. And we are killing. And we are being killed. We are losing so much of our money and MEN.
I have said this so many times. I don’t mind to say it again.
36 CALLIE // Nov 24, 2006 at 7:29 pm
Now joyce YOU are putting words into my mouth. Reading the bible and believing the bible - WHEN did I say this was a sham.
I said the way charles and victor talk - taking out of context what the scriptures really mean - are creating a sham of christianity.
And while sylvestre is an idiot, indeed at the same time I can understand why sylvestre thinks the way he does because HE IS THE ONE that pointed out charles and victor.
And your response to sylvestre was good and proper anyway because really he sounds like a lame person anyway.
Now tell me joyce and be very careful! What did I say that made you think I was making a JOKE out of the bible???
You SHOW ME ONE POST where I have done this.
Because what you’re accusing me of and most of the things you say are really sick and disgusting.
ME? worship Esau and Allyn? Such slander Joyce! You are getting really low.
37 Victor Passenheim // Nov 24, 2006 at 9:20 pm
Callie,
The Bible says thou shalt not MURDER. Not kill. That’s the meaning of the original Hebrew word. But you don’t need to know Hebrew in order to understand that that’s the meaning of the word. All you need to do is read the rest of the Bible in context and you would understand this.
I don’t even know why I continue to respond to your slanderous tongue, except maybe hoping that someday you’ll concede your erroneous ways and finally begin to see the light.
So everyone, I’m going to do the smart thing and only respond to Ryan’s articles. Cool.
38 Joyce // Nov 25, 2006 at 5:18 am
Callie,
I appreciate what you said about my response to Sylvestre. And you’re right, what I said about your getting upset with Charles about the koran wasn’t on any of these posts. It was on “Freeing terrorists is a bad idea. Here’s why” on post #16. The reason I asked you about it, is because when I asked you about it on the other blog you didn’t answer me. And I was really surprised by your reaction, so naturally that made me wonder about it even more. I know how upset you are about the war and how you have sincere feelings of concern about our soldiers and others in combat. But that didn’t have anything to do with your reaction to Charles’ comment about the koran.
Now tell me Callie and be very careful ! Where did I say anything about that I can’t stand about your caring for the American and Canadian soldiers dying in Iraq and Afganistan? I would never say such a thing, I care about them as much as you do. Now whose putting words into my mouth?
Also I didn’t say that you said reading the Bible, and believing what the Bible says is a sham. What I was referring to is, what you said about “people like you guys turning Christianity into a sham.” And since Charles and I both read our Bible, and believe what the Bible says I couldn’t understand how doing that, would make a sham out of Christianity, so I was asking if that is what you meant by your remark.
And what you said about the KJV is this, “You all should write horror stories and call it the King James Version part two.” to me that seemed like a distasteful joke. Insulting us is one thing, I just felt that was an inappropriate thing to say, since the KJV is one of the versions of the Bible.
And what I was referring to, when I said that about Allyn and Esau is this, I didn’t say that you worship them, what I was saying is how it seems to me that whatever they say about the Bible is right, and whatever we say is wrong, and like that we should be in awe of them, and for me to be in awe of them, would be sick and disgusting, it’s as simple as that.
39 Callie // Nov 25, 2006 at 6:43 am
okay, victor?
your post 37 has got to be one of the most IDIOTIC posts I’ve seen to date. Totally USELESS. A child could speak so much better.
Totally pathetic.
Please don’t respond. I gave up scads of posts ago on any kind of substance of a response from you. From the beginning I knew there was something wrong with you.
All you do is keep confirming this. THere is definitely something wrong with you.
40 Callie // Nov 25, 2006 at 6:56 am
Joyce, Esau and Allyn made much more sense to me. And I don’t have to tell you how hateful victor’s posts are-totally lacking in any human feeling. And your husband just follows along like a puppy dog.
Don’t you see how Esau was pointing all kinds of discrepancies of the christian zionist’s way of thinking and reading scripture. That is all Esau was doing.
So was Allyn. So you are offended. So I am offended by charlie and victor.
They were the ones that started the horror story nonsense. I’m responding in like.
You didn’t notice?
You can read all you want about scripture Joyce but the BUCK DOESN’T STOP THERE.
You have to practice what you preach. But to my way of thinking I say we need to put an end to the insanity of war and hatred.
That doesn’t make me a muzlim. It makes me a christian women Tired tired and more tired of the bloodshed of our people and the wasting of our resources and taxdollars.
My hero is Cindy Sheehan. A lovely lady doing the right thing with the only resources she has. Her voice and her determined will. And I say God Bless her.
We should all be “Cindy Sheehan”! She is acting out of faith from the Good Book.
Joyce do you really think this world is going to be a better place to live after these wars are over?
I don’t think so.
41 Callie // Nov 25, 2006 at 8:06 am
I think you’re over-reacting joyce about post 16. I have heard of the 72 virgins thing - hundreds of times in so many articles and on TV - and i don’t doubt that it is a stupid way to believe. And How do they know? I don’t think God ever promised such a thing. No not at all. I think the muzilim men made it up.
I think it is revolting about this 72 virgins nonsense. These muzlims who believe this foolishness are just plain stupid. I certainly don’t know that I would want to get into it with any of them, but I don’t know any personally myself - and how do we know they all believe that way?
We as christians OBVIOUSLY don’t believe the same things here on this blog, do we? Do you think allyn and esau are muzlims too?
But what I am angry about with charles is that there are young children and babies dying in iraq!
you didn’t know this joyce? You don’t care? You should. Thou Shalt not KILL. Those babies belonged to somebody.
I doubt those children will meet 72 “UGLY” virgins.
Just plain contemptuous talk from charles! just plain mean talk about the murder of babies and children and making a mockery their death and our soldier’s death as well. OUr soldiers are only learning to hate and to kill and they’re killing babies and children not just the insurgents.
You just wait and see what happens to them when they - the ones who survive - come back home from these wars. There heads will be in such a dreadful mess. We will be paying with repurcussions of these useless wars are over. And it seems it will be too late.
And charles is just making fun of the situation. I find this repulsive. That is what I meant by taking out of context. Thousands of babies and children in Iraq have been killed since 2003 because of this unholy mess of a war. They will NOT meet with 72 Ugly virgins. How does he know and why does he even care?
your husband isn’t Christian-like at all when he speaks like that. Pure racism and downright mean-spiritedness.
42 Callie // Nov 25, 2006 at 8:10 am
This is worse than Vietnam. And look what happened to our men when they came home. Some of them couldn’t get the deaths of babies and children out of their minds and nightmares.
The suicide rate was very high indeed when our soldiers came home back then!
43 Joyce // Nov 25, 2006 at 11:13 am
Callie,
Esau and Allyn may make sense to you, but they don’t to me. And I don’t agree with you about Victor being hateful. I find his posts to be heartfelt and very informative. As far as Charles following along like a puppy dog that’s nonsense. All I’ve got to say about that is, it’s obvious that you don’t know my husband. And no I don’t see any discrepancies of the Christian Zionist’s way of thinking and reading scripture. And as far as what Esau and Allyn say or do I’m not the only one they offend, their offending me is not important. About the horror story thing, that was in response to you and the things you said. And I take reading the Bible very seriously. I believe that reading the Bible is a very important for a Christian to do. After all the Bible is our guide as to how we should live our life as a Christian, and also to help us to understand about the prophecies to come. And I do practice what I preach. And about the war and hatred we are not in control about that, in Matthew24:6-10 Jesus says:
“And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.”
“For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.”
“All these are the beginning of sorrows.”
“Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.”
“And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.”
So we can protest against this war, but if this war is a part of God’s plan, then protesting is not going to change anything. Because as you can see from what Jesus said “see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass.” And that will happen whether we want it to or not. Because we are not in control God is. And it seems that sometimes we forget that. And no I don’t think the world will be a better place, because these wars are not going to be the last, there will be more. It will never be better until Jesus comes back.
44 Joyce // Nov 25, 2006 at 9:03 pm
Callie,
What you said about the 72 virgins thing being foolish, and stupid, that is the same way Charles feels. As far as knowing if they all believe that way or not, I don’t know. Anyway he was talking about the ones that do believe that way, and he never said anything about babies and children meeting 72 ugly virgins that would be ridiculous, talk about over-reacting. And believe it, or not, Charles didn’t start this war, so he’s not responsible for the Iraqi babies dying, so chill out. And he has never made a mockery about the deaths of babies, or our soldiers, he would never do that. What you said in the first two paragraphs on post # 41 about the Muslims is the same thing that he was talking about, so get off his back. And you of all people have got a lot of nerve, saying anything about him being racist, or mean-spirited, or not being Christian-like, that’s just so ridiculous. And by the way, I am not stupid I do know that people die in wars, and that some of them are babies. And also I am getting tired of you insinuating that I don’t care. I have said over, and over again that I do care. Anyway who are you, that I have to prove that to you? Nobody! And about the Thou Shalt Not Kill that you keep talking about, you need to tell it to the ones that are responsible for these wars. And that would be the ones that attacked us on 9/11 they are the ones responsible for the deaths of innocent people and babies. Did you really think that we wouldn’t retaliate against them for attacking us? That would be ridiculous. It seems to me that if they had cared about their babies, they wouldn’t have caused these wars to happen. And if you think that God doesn’t ever believe that wars are sometimes necessary, then you may need to read your Bible a little more.
45 Joanna // Nov 26, 2006 at 12:05 am
Seeing the insults flying from both sides reminds me of something my step-dad said back on Dec 31, 2002.
My mom and step-dad were returning me to my home after spending the holidays with them. I don’t remember the timeline of the current Iraq war, so I don’t remember the actual start of it, but I do remember people who were against the very idea of it holding up anti-war signs. My step-dad starting saying all kinds of things like I hope they get sick and die (it was raining), etc. I tried pointing out that when you’re dealing with people you disagree with, if you’re trying to get them to see your side, that’s not how to act. He very viciously said “I don’t care what anyone thinks of me, including you.” (As a side note, that was just six weeks after I had brain surgery.) Although about a month later he finally apologized, some things don’t go away.
I am a VERY strong supporter of Israel and I believe that the Bible makes a very strong case for that. I disagree vehemently with things people are saying here and elsewhere. But I also disagree with how everyone is acting. Are we really being Christ-like in these posts? Granted, I am not a regular reader, so I’m sure I’m missing out on a lot of the frustration. But I think we’re getting sidetracked by these pot-shots back and forth.
46 Victor Passenheim // Nov 26, 2006 at 12:41 am
Joanna,
You are right for the most part. I would like to point out that being Christ-like does not mean excluding rebuke or trying to make a point from a Biblical perspective. On the other hand, I would agree that there’s no point in conversing with an individual if their spirit scoffs or mocks the clear teachings of Scripture.
I for one am guilty of relying on “convincing arguments” to make my point, when these really should be secondary. What goes on, or to better clarify, what doesn’t go on in the “prayer closet” is really what makes a difference and shines through (or doesn’t) in the end (Ephesians 6:12).
Thanks for the reminder to keep “above water”.
47 Joanna // Nov 26, 2006 at 1:09 am
Of course, we’re to speak the truth in love - emphasizing truth (rebuke when necessary and pointing out Scripture) but also love. My frustrations are with the insults and other such things, not rebuking, or challenging, or making points about very intense issues. Make points, make arguments, be clear and truthful (which sometimes isn’t pleasant). These are important, and, in fact, required. But the insults and nasty comments aren’t.
48 Joyce // Nov 26, 2006 at 4:32 am
Joanna,
I agree with you, and I actually, feel the same way about it as you do. And I realize, that I shouldn’t have reacted the way that I did, to the comments that were made to me. It is frustrating when someone is saying rude, and hurtful things to you, and to someone you love. But I know that it was wrong for me to handle the situation the way I did. So I would like to apologize for my behavior.
49 Victor Passenheim // Nov 26, 2006 at 10:06 am
Joanna,
I think we can all agree that insults and nasty comments are bad. True, true.
On another point, I would like to refer everyone to the following radio show. It’s called “Light unto the Nations” on Arutz Sheva (Israel National Radio - www.israelnationalnews.com or www.arutzsheva.com). I found it so inspiring and refreshing:
http://www.israelnationalradio.com/Asx/light.asx
or download at:
http://msmedia.a7.org:82/arutz7/shows/English-show/light.mp3
Callie, I think you’ll find a lot of answers here, especially on what religious Jews believe.
Very cool stuff folks!
50 Joyce // Nov 28, 2006 at 1:27 am
Thanks for the information Victor, I’ll have to check it out.
The Palestinians have no regard for life. It’s obvious if they are willing to blow themselves up, and other’s, for their cause, that they are truly mad. So if they are willing to do this, then I believe, they would be willing to give up their lives, and their children’s lives, just to be in the line of fire, to help escalate the hatred against Israel.
51 Victor Passenheim // Nov 28, 2006 at 5:38 am
Joyce,
Absolutely correct. Pretty appalling isn’t it? But what’s even worse is that the world doesn’t call them on it. Any cursory research into the conflict will quickly teach you that they are not “freedom fighters” or “militants” like the media would have you believe. They are simply hell bent on the genocide of another people as a result of their unrelenting daily diet of jihad.
Here’s another good link, which I’m VERY surprised was shown on CNN (of all networks!):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWIK8YTZS8&eurl=
52 Sylvestre // Nov 28, 2006 at 8:08 am
If you’re Jews
And Believe you are the chosen people
Then your god is the World’s mightiest racist
If you’re Christians
And Believe Jesus is god and
died for our sins
Then your god is the World’s Weakest
If you’re Muslims
And BelieveYou will get 70+
Virgins in Heaven
Then your god is the World’s biggest pimp
53 Joyce // Nov 28, 2006 at 8:21 am
Victor,
I just finished watching the video on the link that you gave me. It was very disturbing to see, the intense hatred the radical Muslims have for Israel, America, and England, and to see all the deceitful propaganda, that they instill into their people. And it was also heartbreaking, to see how they brainwash their young children to hate us, and to want to see us destroyed. And it’s also important that we should never let our guard down concerning them. And also
Israel, America, England, and whoever else, that will join us need to stand united together against Iran, in their fervent commitment for nuclear weapons. And we have to make sure that their accomplishment for nuclear weapons do not succeed, or else, it could be very disastrous for us all.
54 Charles Wesley // Nov 29, 2006 at 1:20 am
Sylvestre ,
Jesus gave his life as an acceptable sacrifice for sin to God the Father for all who love him . He was the Lord in the flesh on this earth . His pain was as a mans pain while the Romans were taking great delight in killing him . The scourging alone would most likely killed him from infection even though they put salt in the wounds to cause more pain .
Jesus must have known in advance every stripe that was to come . He must have known the hatred in every heart that looked on . The indignity of being falsely accused and abandoned by all ,and suffering for our sins , yes even those that will deny him must have been unbearable .
Jesus could have quit at any time but he completed his mission . The Romans were especially adept at torturing
people to death and they meant to kill him . If you have not seen The Passion Of The Christ you should . If you still think Jesus was weak I can’t help you . Ironically only Jesus can.
55 Joyce // Nov 29, 2006 at 3:13 am
Slyvestre,
I wasn’t going to respond to your comment, I thought that it would be for the best if I didn’t. But then after thinking about it I knew that I had to. After knowing the sacrifice that the Lord made for us all, which by the way none of us deserve. I knew that I had to respond to show my love, and appreciation to him, for his sacrifice. Jesus had more strength, and courage, than we could ever think of having, to go through all the pain, and suffering, that he did for us. Because, all Jesus had to do to stop his sacrifice, was pray to his Father, and he would have sent him more than twelve legions of angels. But, he didn’t do that, because he knew that it must happen so that the scriptures would be fulfilled, so we could have our chance for salvation. And I will be forever grateful to him for his gift of salvation, and for the unselfish love that he has given us all.
56 Victor Passenheim // Nov 29, 2006 at 7:46 am
Joyce,
Good observation about not letting our guard down concerning them. Like Jesus said, “be innocent as doves, but wise as serpents.” Matt. 10:16
57 GOD is dead... // Nov 30, 2006 at 5:50 am
GOD IS DEAD>>>The way of the indian (nature/sciencific) will once again capture the America’s and turn all Euro-trash back to where they belong…
This is America and Euro is defective. I Live in America - And if you don’t care about my cause - they I don’t care about your cause….
Euro trash can not fight thier own battles….needs America but we will look away….and soon….
58 Charles Wesley // Dec 1, 2006 at 5:44 am
If God is dead then why are you even concerning yourself about us poor deluded souls . Maybe you want him dead so you won’t have to give up your pet sins . Or maybe you want to carry your ugly sins discretely to your grave without having to answer for them at judgement ,who knows? God is alive .
The funny thing about science is that they seem to be authorities on back engineering the creation of life, but they are using an outright lie to do this . Check for yourself the maximum projected( theorized) accuracy of RADIO-CARBON-14 dating . Even that is based on completely unsubstantiated
guess work . But the scientist accept it as fact to perpetuate
their work . Atheist clings to the misused theory and those
that abuse it to base their claims . As far as evolution goes ,God said let the waters bring forth— and the earth bring forth the creatures— And then he created man in his own image . Now Darwin saw similarities in the life brought forth by the waters and the earth and said that they evolved. But there has never been a link to man because God
created man alone in his image . And those scientist have given it all they had to make that link . Ponder on that .
59 GOD is dead... // Dec 1, 2006 at 6:45 am
Hi Charles,
i will use your quotes but rewrite them to make my point
Even that (The BIBLE) is based on completely unsubstantiated
guess work . But the scientist (RELIGIOIUS FANATICS) accept it (the BIBLE) as fact to perpetuate
their work . (WARS)
GOD is NATURE AND NATURE is GOD….Sounds like the way of the native indian…
60 Charles Wesley // Dec 2, 2006 at 1:24 am
I’ll be right here .
By the way the Indians were not able to defend their territory and lost it . Israel could go by the way of the Indians if they don’t fight and quit talking . The Indians tried to negotiate too !
The Bible is actually mostly a historical account of the people that became Israelites. It particularly is the history of the creator and his chosen people . There is a lot of prophecy in the bible that we see coming true in our times . If you can’t see these things , you have not cared to see them . Some are pretty scary , to face that we may not just live out our life without having to go through terrible times.
Have you even read the bible or did you just reject it out of hand . This is not just a contest of Witt , you have a lot at stake . The mark of the beast will be coming your way soon ,prophesied over 2000 years ago to come at the time of the great tribulation . Most people that even know what the tribulation is believes it’s coming soon ,because all of the prophecy coming together now . You may want to re-think your position .
61 GOD is dead... // Dec 2, 2006 at 3:06 am
humans have a defective gene - we can’t live in peace.
“By the way the Indians were not able to defend their territory and lost.” Why should they have to fight for thier territory…Charles…
And yes I have read the bible and i have come to the conclusion that it is a good book….but that is it… ” A good book”. Read it and move on…
Instead people like you turn a blind eye to events that are fully wrong, and happening right now - not 2000 years ago - and can justify mass murders and ensalving of entire peoples - By simply calling it “In the name of GOD”
I live in the present, try it sometime.
I don’t beleive in prophesied events. The only prophesied event I can truly state that I believe in are: Tomorrow the sun will rise. and nobody really knows what is going to happen to us when we die…
I have no concern nor do I appreciate having to spend Billions (maybe Trillions) of American tax dollars on another countries affairs. Talk about the biggest recipents of welfare or should I say (warfare).
GOD is Nature and Nature is GOD.
Lastly Charles, I don’t know and you don’t know either…
62 Nathan // Dec 3, 2006 at 12:31 am
I agree with Vic - BLOW THEM ALL UP. Why have we wasted 58 years on a group of people that live and breath the 10th century? There is no peace with a people that DOES NOT WANT PEACE. And if you can’t rely on God to lend you a hand then a Jericho missile is fine with me.
63 Charles Wesley // Dec 3, 2006 at 1:28 am
It could be that you are dead to God post #61. If you read a manual like you would read a novel you it will not instruct you . The Bible is a life manual written at the will and instruction of God . It is not a novel to be read and discarded . I believe the Bible to be a living document provided to be a guide to life . The Bible is the most offensive book ever written to man . It convicts me every day of my shortcomings before God . It offends homosexuals seeking acceptance , liars, murderers, adulterers, thieves, swindlers , politicians , greedy people, high minded people ,Muslims and atheist . It also offends Christians ,preachers too ! We are all short of the Glory of God and the Bible catches us all . To live with out the Bible would put your faith in mans morality . What will you believe tomorrow? What new ruling will change your ethics ? What can you count on tomorrow ? Will money guide the way ?
I don’t believe that you really read the Bible to seek God ,most likely you sought to disprove the Bible or you feel that God has let you down .You give me the feeling that you once believed . If so and you have suffered a loss and blame God I am sorry for you .
As for the defective gene I guess every lifeform on this earth has that same problem .
64 Victor Passenheim // Dec 4, 2006 at 7:35 am
Post #62
Rock on, Nathan!
65 GOD is dead... // Dec 5, 2006 at 12:39 pm
you are full of non-sense. Again you demostrate how fanantics can change the meaning of something to meet thier shallow agenda.
I urge you to consider one thing:
I don’t know and you don’t know either.
Live in the present.
66 Joyce // Dec 5, 2006 at 9:07 pm
I wasn’t going to waste anymore time with you about this subject, but there’s something else I believe that I should say to you. I agree with about one thing, YOU DON’T KNOW, you don’t even have a clue about God. Oh sure you can know there’s a God, but if you’re not his child, you won’t know the things about him that a child of God knows. Just knowing there’s a God is not enough, you have repent of your sins, and accept Jesus as your Lord, and Savior, to be a child of God. And if you are his child, he gives you the wisdom to understand the things about him, that other people don’t know. So unless your a child of God, you can’t know him the way we do. And if you’re not his child he will not bless you, and he will not answer your prayers, except for the prayer of salvation through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So you see your comment about, “I don’t know and you don’t know either” is only half right, YOU DON’T KNOW.
67 Charles Wesley // Dec 6, 2006 at 1:23 am
Post #65 ,
You are just spouting rhetoric . It is evident that you know nothing about the bible . The whole crux of the situation is that you don’t want to believe . You have an impediment that causes your unbelief . It might be your pet sins or your destructive lifestyle . You don’t care about anybody on this site , you are trying to convince yourself that you will not face God in judgement .Why do you think God is dead? Upon what evidence do you call ? By the way I have Indian ancesters as well as my wife .
68 GOD is dead... // Dec 6, 2006 at 6:24 am
Here is why I think God is Dead.
Follow the link.
http://www.geocities.com/haileyspoon/frame.html
I pose my position so bluntly because all I see in this website are people talking about killing
2,7,9,10,12… just in this one post. Many a people have been killed in the Name of GOD.
you really don’t know and yes I don’t know either. And claiming to know is “spouting rhetoric”
The place I am trying to take you is one of being able to live with the understanding that in the end. Nobody knows.
Now you claim to know more about the bible, now you claim to know more about my life and now you claim to know me…
Stop it Charles.
It took me many years to realize that the biggest lie is the one claiming to know. I live in a very peaceful state, becuase I can state that we don’t know. Accept this…
This makes us equal.
Which Indian tribe…or have you stopped to way of the indian? I bet you don’t even know their ways?
69 Joyce // Dec 6, 2006 at 10:47 am
1 Corinthian15:34 says:
” Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.”
Proverbs 2:5 says:
” Then thou shalt understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.”
2 Peter 1:2 says:
” Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,”
Romans 1:19 says:
” Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.”
1 John 4:6 - 8 and 13 says:
” We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.”
” Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.”
” He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.”
” Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.”
70 Charles Wesley // Dec 6, 2006 at 7:55 pm
You are right, you nor I know 100th the available knowledge in the world . If we knew 1/2 the knowledge in the universe we would still be misinformed . There are new untold things that we are just exploring . Man has taken credit for knowing so much while back engineering the creation and still getting it wrong . So we have it all figured out hmm, boy did we look stupid when we found out that the world was round and that was an easy one . Well my friend if you will read the Bible you can see where the turmoil in the Middle East is leading , and you can forget being at peace . If you think there has been some killing going on you ain’t seen nothing yet . The whole picture is laid out in the Bible by the living God . WE are in the END TIMES like it or not .
71 Victor Passenheim // Dec 15, 2006 at 12:07 am
Regarding post #62. I meant to agree with the first part of the post.
Nathan, God is the ONLY One who can be relied on 100%.
72 Nathan // Dec 16, 2006 at 3:23 am
I respect that Victor.
73 Nerah // Dec 23, 2006 at 3:22 am
My friend post#68,
What was done to the Indians in the name of God and Christianity was horrible to say the least. You must understand, the people who did this did not have true Christianity, they did not have a personal relationship with Jesus our saviour. That is what it is really about, recieve Jesus into your heart and then you can really understand all of the rest of the Bible, it is not religion, To teach the Indian Nations about Jesus was wonderful, to learn from them, wonderful, to let them keep their land, and teach them what could help them and what they wanted, great. I apoligize to you myself if you are of Indian descent for what my anscestors did. I to have some Indian in me. My daughter has alot. I believe there were alot of well meaning Christians that ministered to the Indians! But what about today? What about all the good the Christians do? Why don’t you check that out? There is a knew book called who really cares? I forget the author, but it is about who really gives the most, who really helps the most, the poor? the rich? people of faith? liberals? conservatives? As far as Killing It is not the Christians or the Jews, if you really want to know about killing throughout history read the koran and check out information how the muslims were planning on joining Hitler in his fight against the Jews. God Is a Righteous, Holy, God He is Loving, because he is Good he has to take out evil. But as my friends were saying our little minds cannot begin to understand His infinite Wisdom.
74 shane // Feb 18, 2007 at 2:13 pm
i would think the red indians deserve more than apologies,petty compensations,blame our ancestors not us excuses ,at least we gave you religion etc etc
but luckily for some ,history has the added benefit of making pain and loss not seem so relevant after all.let’s move on.
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