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How much Holocaust evidence do you need?

June 16th, 2006  ·  7 Comments

Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is again calling for independent “impartial” research into the Nazi Holocaust.

He insists the entire episode is “unproven” and needs “verification.” Are the mountains of documents, photos, remains, etc on display at Holocaust museums in Jerusalem, Washington and Berlin truly not evidence enough?

Is the fact that the nation that perpetrated the Holocaust openly admits its past sins not evidence enough?

Please tell me no non-Muslims in the West actually take this guy seriously.

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7 comments so far ↓

  • 1 joanna // Jun 16, 2006 at 12:54 pm

    who knows, ryan…. Whichever suits their purposes at the time is what they say - either “it never happened” or “the only bad thing we can say about hitler is that he didn’t finish the job”

    Yes, unfortunately there will be people who take him seriously. This is a perilous time…people are kooky….their irrational hatreds and their ignorance overwhelm them. Hopefully more people who know the truth will stand up and drown out the kooks. Of course, acknowledging them at all is almost legitimizing them. I think Deborah Lipstadt wrote about this whole thing didn’t she?

  • 2 FERN SIDMAN // Jun 18, 2006 at 9:12 pm

    AND THE SILENCE WAS DEAFENING

    BY: FERN SIDMAN

    The history of the Jewish people is replete with scourges, haters and mass murderers of our people. The latest menace to our people is Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He spews forth his vitriol against Israel and the Jewish people on a daily basis and has threatened to use his nuclear arsenal at will. There is no question that this latest madman must be taken seriously.

    In his translation of a speech to the “World Without Zionism” conference held for students in October of 2005, Nazila Fathi of The New York Times’ Tehran bureau reported Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as saying, regarding Israel, in part:

    Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime (Israel)must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world. But we must be aware of tricks.
    

    Ahmadinejad also claimed in the speech that the issue with Palestine would be over “the day that all refugees return to their homes [and] a democratic government elected by the people comes to power”, and denounced attempts to normalize relations with Israel, condemning all Muslim leaders who accept the existence of Israel as “acknowledging a surrender and defeat of the Islamic world.”
    The speech also indicated that the Iranian President considered Israel’s withdrawal from the Gaza Strip to be a trick, designed to gain acknowledgement from Islamic states. In a rally held two days later, Ahmadinejad declared that his words reflected the views of the Iranian people, adding that Westerners are free to comment, but their reactions are invalid.

    In December of 2005 and January and May of 2006 Ahmadinejad made controversial statements which denied the veracity of the Holocaust and criticized European laws against Holocaust denial. CNN and other media outlets reported that he stated concerning the Holocaust that “they have invented a myth that Jews were massacred.”

    In an interview with the German publication Der Spiegel, Ahmadinejad was asked, “Are you still saying that the Holocaust is just ‘a myth’?” He responded, “I will only accept something as truth if I am actually convinced of it.” In the same interview, he later stated, “We oppose every type of crime against any people. But we want to know whether this crime actually took place or not.. If it did not occur, then the Jews have to go back to where they came from”.

    In an interview with Iranian state television’s Arabic-language satellite channel, Al-Alam, on December 8, 2005, Ahmadinejad referred to Israel as a “tumor”, and suggested that it should be relocated to Europe. His other quotes concerning Israel and the Jews are as follows:

    “You believe the Jews were oppressed, why should the Palestinian Muslims have to pay the price?”

    “Germany and Austria, come and give one, two or any number of your provinces to the Zionist regime so they can create a country there… and the problem will be solved at its root.”

    “They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets.”

    “If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream.”

    If these statements were not enough proof of the danger of the current Iranian regime, it has been recently reported by the Iranian news service that Mohammed Ali Ramim, a senior advisor to Ahmadinejad told students during a visit to the town of Rasht in Iran that, “Jews are a filthy people, and that is why they have been accused throughout history of spreading deadly disease and plagues.”

    Ramin, an alleged historian who serves as the president’s most senior aide, is believed to be the man behind the regime’s recent statements that the Holocaust is a myth. Ramin went on to say, “Historically, there are many accusations against the Jews. For example, it was said that they were the source for such deadly disease as the plague and typhus. This is because the Jews are very filthy people. For a time people also said that they poisoned water wells belonging to Christians and thus killed them.”

    Ramin also reiterated past statements made by Ahmadinejad regarding the Holocaust, saying it was the cause for the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories, and claimed that Israel is responsible for the Middle East crisis. “So long as Israel exists in the region there will never be peace and security in the Middle East,” he said adding, “so the resolution of the Holocaust issue will end in the destruction of Israel”.

    The Jerusalem Post reported on 6/16/06 that Ahmadinejad said during a news conference following a meeting with Chinese president Hu Jintao, that, “I think we have sufficiently talked about this matter and these Holocaust events need to be further investigated by independent and impartial parties.” He added that, “An event that has influenced so many diplomatic and political equations of the world needs to investigated and researched by impartial and independent groups.”

    To those who are students of history, we know that this kind of propaganda is not new. It has been utilized against the Jews since time immemorial. We know that Hitler and his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels honed this practice to a fine art. We also know that the current Iranian administration is well adept in this modality as well. We who know the truth, know that this kind of incendiary rhetoric is designed to create a dramatic rise in Jew hatred, thus facilitating their final goal, the eradication of the State of Israel and of the Jewish people. Yes, it is yet the latest round of modern day Hitlers. We are used to this. We must tell the Iranian madman that we’re not going anywhere. We must tell him and the world that no one will eradicate the State of Israel and extricate the Jewish people from their home.

    And to those who believe that this “blather” should not be taken seriously are in fact denying the real threat that this latest round of Jew haters represents. And we ask, “What does the world have to say about all this? Where are all the bold and unequivocal denunciations and condemnations from the leaders of the free world?”

    The answer is clear to those who wish to see it. The world cares little for the Jewish people and the Land of Israel. This is not the first time in history that this kind of anti-Jewish invective has been promulgated by state leaders. This kind of anti-Jewish canard and propaganda has become standard fare for the wide variety of Jew haters that fill the world.

    It is time to clarify our position and to announce without fear and trepidation what our position is. The modern Jewish State of Israel did not come into being because we needed a safe asylum for the thousands of survivors of Hitler’s Holocaust. The Jews of Europe did not come to a country that did not belong to them and displace it’s Arab population. The Jews of Europe and from around the world, came back to their homeland. They did not come as “occupiers” but they returned as the sole legitimate owners of a land that was given to them by the G-d of Israel.

    Did the world feel sorry for the Jews and “allow” them to call “Palestine” their home and rename it Israel? We will never know the true motivation of the UN vote that established Israel as a Jewish State on May 14, 1948. We do however, know that the current state of affairs between the “Palestinians” and the Israelis has nothing to do with the Holocaust. We do know that it is yet another diatribe aimed at delegitimizing the right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel. We do know that the Holocaust did indeed occur and has been documented and there is no need to investigate it’s authenticity. Just ask any Holocaust survivor.

    We do know that our claim and ownership of the Land of Israel was given to us by the Almighty G-d of Israel and our ownership is declared before any other commandment. One need only look at the first verse in the Book of Genesis, “In the beginning G-d created the Heaven and the Earth.” The biblical commentator and great Torah giant, Rashi, tells us that this verse establishes the Jewish ownership of the Land of Israel. “If the world will say that we are robbers and stole this land, we know that it was G-d who created the world and it was He who first gave it to Canaanites and then gave it to Bnei Yisroel.” It was He who said that “this land shall be yours for as long as the sky remains over the earth.”

    Yet, it is we who must acknowledge this and it is we who must declare to the world that our right to be in this land is from G-d and it is His rule that we must obey. No government or international body can declare our right to ownership of Israel, for the vacillating will of man can be easily refuted or reversed.. It is we who must know that this is the land in which Hashem Yisborach designated as a homeland for us for all time. It is we who must tell this to the nations of the world and to the Iranian dictator. For in the end, it is G-d who we must fear and not man. Ahmadinejad is just the latest in the never ending flow of Jew haters who seek our destruction. In His infinite mercy, it is Hashem alone who allows us to exist. It is Hashem who has brought down and destroyed all those who sought to annihilate His people.

    It is only through faith and trust in the Almighty G-d of Israel and adherence to His commandments that will see us through this clear and present danger. We must raise our voices in prayer and supplication to the Almighty. Now is the time to gird our loins and prepare to defend our faith. May Hashem give us the strength and courage to overcome our enemies and to do His will.

  • 3 Edward // Jul 2, 2006 at 11:12 pm

    No matter how proof you lay in front of a rebel, it will not be enough.

  • 4 Tom Goodwin, G.G. // Aug 12, 2006 at 4:56 am

    The Holocaust was verified and sealed with the testimonies of the survivors years ago. There is nothing about the Holocaust to debate. Everything that went on at the camps was painstakingly documented by the Nazi’s who were actually proud of their bloodwork.
    It is a blot on the lot of humanity not just the German people.
    What dimension of justice could be attained to atone for the systematic murder of millions of human beings just for the sake of “racial purity?”

  • 5 Marylin // Feb 7, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Just to clarify, we do all understand that ahmedenajad knows that he is a liar, we do realize that,

    he knows the Holocaust happened…

    i just cant understand how can you lie and keep a straight face infront of millions of people

    The man’s reason is perverted.

  • 6 Marylin // Feb 7, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    !!! hitler’s cipher !!!

    “hitler ” the original
    Replace the letter I with the letter A:
    hatler
    Cancell out the letter L:
    hater
    Cancell out the letter R:
    hate
    hitler is hate = hate is hitler
    hitler is the prophet of hate
    hitler’s followers are hate followers
    hate followers are hitler’s followers

  • 7 Marylin // Feb 7, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    here’s a peom i wrote, it actually won a second place in a provincial wide contest and i recieved $100 for these few words i wrote, i want to dedicate it to the dead and the living who endured Holocaust, i want to dedicate this poem to the Jewish nation- Israel!!!

    Titled: The Three Wise Monkeys

    I stumbled on this peculiar sight.

    Strange figures before me,

    monuments of sort.

    One had its paws on its ears as though to block the sound out…

    The next covered its mouth to prevent a bursting of words…

    The third had its paws over its eyes to shield away all vision…

    I suddenly felt a certain déjà vu.

    As though this feeling I sense was contained in me before.

    And I can see the whole world engraved on these figures.

    The oblivious world- a numb world filled with ignorance.

    Can humanity recall the events of 1938

    When the tormented souls of the naïve hopeful Jewish people

    boarded onto Saint Louis ship.

    An escape from a terrible fate,

    but only than to be sent back to hell.

    How arrogant was it of the Jews to think that somebody cared?

    The world turned a blind eye that day.

    People exclaim when they hear of the ghettoes and the gas chambers.

    But is it enough?

    For their pseudo emotions will only last for another moment or two

    before they go back to being jolly again.

    When did the world become so desensitized?

    The world proclaimed to never again permit such atrocities!!!

    But please tell me why do innocent people, women and children are

    being slaughtered just as we speak somewhere far away on another

    continent in Darfur.

    People are being mutilated and murdered. Babies are nothing more

    than little starved skeletons pressed against their mother’s bosom.

    History does not repeat itself- but we do.

    We are all sinners in disguise.

    We shall not hear evil.

    We shall not speak evil.

    We shall not see evil.

    It is believed that these three commands will spare us from evil.

    But I think on the contrary. If we shall not hear, speak, or see, we

    will only sustain this evil that is all around us.

    The wind now blew the ashes of my eyes and face… I can suddenly

    see the figures

    crystal clear.

    These are no wise monkeys but only ignorant men.

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